Panigale R adjustable swingarm pivot mod

What parts are needed to accomplish this mod on a base bike?

A bunch, and they aren't cheap. Its a neat feature, but the fact that the method by which it does its thing changed, its kind of a guilty plea on the part of Ducati. I guess people were sick of chain rubbed swingarms.

I actually bought a replacement swing arm, that ended up being an R version, so I had some of the parts, but the others are quite expensive. I'm not Casey Stoner, so I think it would be lost on me.

8291B721AA LEFT HOLDER
77214151AA SCREW (x2)
8291B731AA RIGHT HOLDER
75610332AA OUTSIDE SPACER ECCENTRIC
75610301BA BUSH LEFT
77154459Z SCREW (x2)
70250451A BEARING (x2)
75610321AA INNER SPACER ECCENTRIC
75610312AA INNER SPACER ECCENTRIC
86050051A PIN (x2)
93050121A SEAL RING (x2)
70140171A BEARING, NEEDLE (Set)
71114641BA COLLAR, R. SWINGARM
71114631BA BUSH, LH

The last two mount in the screw holes on the engine and serve as step down for the smaller R swingarm bolts. Why they are labeled so differently...got to be an Italian thing.

Most of this is on page 134 of the 1199R parts manual. The short description of how it works is that instead of having large bolts which attach through the rearsets and bolt the arm to the engine, the R uses smaller bolts through an eccentric. The reason that the holders for the rearsets get replaced is that the R version has an extra locking screw, and the left is marked for the adjustment. To adjust it, you would slack the chain, loosen the rearsets, turn the larger head of the bolt on the left side and pivot the whole thing. Very small adjustments, its maybe 1/4" in any direction.

I am considering outfitting my base with the S model's electric suspension...

bp7178 said:

A bunch, and they aren't cheap. Its a neat feature, but the fact that the method by which it does its thing changed it kind of a guilty plea.

I actually bought a replacement swing arm, that ended up being an R version, so I had some of the parts, but the others are quite expensive. I'm not Casey Stoner, so I think it would be lost on me.

8291B721AA LEFT HOLDER
77214151AA SCREW (x2)
8291B731AA RIGHT HOLDER
75610332AA OUTSIDE SPACER ECCENTRIC
75610301BA BUSH LEFT
77154459Z SCREW (x2)
70250451A BEARING (x2)
75610321AA INNER SPACER ECCENTRIC
75610312AA INNER SPACER ECCENTRIC
86050051A PIN (x2)
93050121A SEAL RING (x2)
70140171A BEARING, NEEDLE (Set)
71114641BA COLLAR, R. SWINGARM
71114631BA BUSH, LH

The last two mount in the screw holes on the engine and serve as step down for the smaller R swingarm bolts. Why they are labeled so differently...got to be an Italian thing.

Most of this is on page 134 of the 1199R parts manual. The short description of how it works is that instead of having large bolts which attach through the rearsets and bolt the arm to the engine, the R uses smaller bolts through an eccentric. The reason that the holders for the rearsets get replaced is that the R version has an extra locking screw, and the left is marked for the adjustment. To adjust it, you would slack the chain, loosen the rearsets, turn the larger head of the bolt on the left side and pivot the whole thing. Very small adjustments, its maybe 1/4" in any direction.

I am considering outfitting my base with the S model's electric suspension...

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Thanks for the information bro. Maybe this will be a good mod to make my base more R like.

Sounds cheaper to buy a R model swingarm lol.

true. If I could find an R model engine and swingarm for sale.....

....as long as the chain does not rub against the swing arm

Dollar for dollar there are WAY better mods than this if you're looking to improve performance on a bike when stock is capable of a sub 10 second 1/4 mile and sub 3 second 0-60 time.

What problem are you looking to solve?

With motorcycles, I've found I'm less Rossi and more his mechanic. I love working on this thing as much as riding it. I'm always looking for something to turn a wrench to, but I always have to weigh out cost.

Its bad enough that every time I even look at Maria (my 1199...) it costs me at least $40.

Does WhitePani not have an R swingarm available from his 2 part outs?

I got one of them...

bp7178 said:

Dollar for dollar there are WAY better mods than this if you're looking to improve performance on a bike when stock is capable of a sub 10 second 1/4 mile and sub 3 second 0-60 time.

What problem are you looking to solve?

With motorcycles, I've found I'm less Rossi and more his mechanic. I love working on this thing as much as riding it. I'm always looking for something to turn a wrench to, but I always have to weigh out cost.

Its bad enough that every time I even look at Maria (my 1199...) it costs me at least $40.

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BP, there is nothing else I need to modify on the bike. Well, the radiator from MAC will be the last mod. I'm getting more into the suspension now that my pace is getting faster and faster and the issue I'm having is running wide as I'm exiting the corners. The other thing I am looking at is making this bike as close as possible to the new R when I pick it up later on this year. So getting the geometry setup as close as possible and being able to make them very similar, including the swingarm pivot is on my list of mods.

I'm more interested in putting the swingarm pivot from the 1299 on my 1199, along with the rake angle kit that already exists. Perhaps the 1299 swingarm mount will be cheaper and a bit less labor intensive.

ghostdog6 said:

I'm more interested in putting the swingarm pivot from the 1299 on my 1199, along with the rake angle kit that already exists. Perhaps the 1299 swingarm mount will be cheaper and a bit less labor intensive.

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I would bet its the same.

I have no idea - I'm thinking since it won't be adjustable it might be as simple as changing the mounting plates. I'm probably wrong.

It seems to me dropping the pivot point would make the bike more prone to wheelie

I think it does the opposite?

bp7178 said:

Dollar for dollar there are WAY better mods than this if you're looking to improve performance on a bike when stock is capable of a sub 10 second 1/4 mile and sub 3 second 0-60 time.

What problem are you looking to solve?

With motorcycles, I've found I'm less Rossi and more his mechanic. I love working on this thing as much as riding it. I'm always looking for something to turn a wrench to, but I always have to weigh out cost.

Its bad enough that every time I even look at Maria (my 1199...) it costs me at least $40.

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...you like wrenching it...(?)....buy a harley, and ride the duc

The R pivot, last I heard, changes the chain angle reducing the antisquat of the 1199 when the rear ride height is set tall.

You know how the rear of the bike comes up when under power on a dyno, like a cat arching its back for pets. The R pivot has less of that, when you lower the pivot. I would think that would be more rear grip on exit when the track is bumpy, more wheelies, less steering at exit.

So that won't solve understeer at exit, but raising it might? Not sure if the adjustable pivot raises much. I hear it was just to lower the pivot on bikes with the rear ride height raised up too much.

RD16RR said:

....buy a harley, and ride the duc

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There's a brand that's fallen dangerously near the urban poser category.

Trust me, the 1199 gets ridden plenty. For guys that can, working on it yourself really bonds you to the machine.

My non suspension guy technical explanation for running less swing arm angle with racing slicks is that it's going to make the slide characteristics more linear and reduce the pumping action that some people experience. Makes more sense to me on something like the Panigale as a really fast guy is going to be driving the bike out of the corner with the rear spinning up vs say a 600 where more corner speed would be used.