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MrKO said:
I'm confused, why are we even considering the 899? I think you missed some things when considering to two. One, even the base 1199 is a better value than the 899. Two, you can get a great deal on a low mileage S (mine is still for sale :) ). Three, this is going to be the big one. Almost any sport bike is honestly "to much" for the road. I had 07 R6 track bike, and I hated the power curve on that thing. I never in a million years would/will buy another one. Not for the street, not for the track. The 899 will have more than enough power to get you in all types of trouble. At no point have I been out for a ride on the 1199 and said "you know, this bike really is to much for the street". I have done something that was not meant to be done on the open road 100+mph but what bike wont. If you did not feel the S1000 was to much you will not feel the 1199 is. Is a very smooth and linear power delivery, nothing like the Dr. Jeckle R6.
Just my own .02
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I'd rather have the 899 over the base 1199 any day.
 
Pock said:
Wow I guess I started an argument that wasn't intentional. I always forget how much forums are like internet court rooms. LOL

First using my phone to type is making me look like an idiot.

Second, I know there are tons of problems with many first year or two bikes. I personally had the stator issue with my Honda as did my brother-in-law. Mine happened at like 1100 miles! I know the 2008's ATE oil. I know there are problems. Not saying the Panigale is better or worse.

My performance statement was simply directed toward the initial cost of the bike. Nothing more. Not saying the Panigale isn't completely amazing and in all honesty I (personal feeling. No need to correct) feel it's a good bit ahead of others in many ways. I was just agreeing with another poster saying if you want a cheaper bike that does perform well there are other options. But look what forum I joined and look at my question. I didn't ask to sell me on Ducati. Or should I buy an R1 or Panigale. I know what I want. I simply am looking for what engine size might be best for me from people that I hope have been on both the 899 and 1199. I will demo the 899 but odds are slim I'll get seat time on a 1199 here. Thanks again all!
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Very good, carry on.
Let us know your thoughts on the 899 when you get it:)
 
Agibbs996 said:
I use my 1199 for commuting 2-3 times a week - even during the Arizona summer. No issues with the bike. But, then dealer I bought the bike from knows his stuff and has been selling Ducatis since 1978. Set up was spot on -including not too much throttle slop. Actually, I've had ever Ducati superbike since the 748 and had no problems with any of them -though the 1098 and 1198 had too much throttle slop.

How much is the price difference between the 899 and base 1199? I don't think there's much of a weight difference. If you feel the 1199 has to much power, then set the engine to 195 low on Sport Mode....or 120 if you want it to be a 600.

So, my vote is for an 1198.
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The 1199 is not nice in it's power delivery in wet mode.
Something in the way they've nobbled it takes way too much away from the engine.

An 899 at full power will be more rewarding and accessible.
IMO.
 
Pock said:
Wow I guess I started an argument that wasn't intentional. I always forget how much forums are like internet court rooms. LOL

First using my phone to type is making me look like an idiot.

Second, I know there are tons of problems with many first year or two bikes. I personally had the stator issue with my Honda as did my brother-in-law. Mine happened at like 1100 miles! I know the 2008's ATE oil. I know there are problems. Not saying the Panigale is better or worse.

My performance statement was simply directed toward the initial cost of the bike. Nothing more. Not saying the Panigale isn't completely amazing and in all honesty I (personal feeling. No need to correct) feel it's a good bit ahead of others in many ways. I was just agreeing with another poster saying if you want a cheaper bike that does perform well there are other options. But look what forum I joined and look at my question. I didn't ask to sell me on Ducati. Or should I buy an R1 or Panigale. I know what I want. I simply am looking for what engine size might be best for me from people that I hope have been on both the 899 and 1199. I will demo the 899 but odds are slim I'll get seat time on a 1199 here. Thanks again all!
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I appreciate the clear response. Universal statements casting the Panigale in a bad light always seem to catch my interest but I see now this was not your intention. If you simply meant to say there are plenty of viable alternatives from other manufacturers then I certainly agree.

Regarding your decision, the 1199 can surprisingly be tamed quite a bit with the WET mode setting. Not only is HP limited, but the throttle response is significantly dulled to the point that, in combination with the excellent traction control, you would have to try very hard to put the bike in a squirrelly state. These settings transform the bike into what I believe would be a very confidence inspiring bike for someone approaching the riding experience with a bit of trepidation. My recommendation would be that if you feel any inclination whatsoever to go with the 1199, then go with the 1199. That being said, you can't go wrong with either choice
 
Go big if you settle for less you won't be happy, you'll end up selling your little one at a loss, and buying an 1199. So in the long run cutting to the chase is more economical.
 
Brad said:
The 1199 is not nice in it's power delivery in wet mode.
Something in the way they've nobbled it takes way too much away from the engine.

An 899 at full power will be more rewarding and accessible.
IMO.
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I agree it just seems way to manufactured. And I tend to think, it feels like, a car with a well worn clutch.
 
centeroff said:
Go big if you settle for less you won't be happy, you'll end up selling your little one at a loss, and buying an 1199. So in the long run cutting to the chase is more economical.
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Well said!

If you go for the lil'one you'll always look at the 1199 and think about what could have been. I'm 50, do everything from hauling the kids to their soccer games to track riding and for the first time in my life I'm not longing for another bike, 'xcept an 1199 with 0 miles maybe.
 
1199. Its the same power as the S1000RR. Anything less and you will probably miss it.

Plus the 899 is heavier.
 
centeroff said:
Go big if you settle for less you won't be happy, you'll end up selling your little one at a loss, and buying an 1199. So in the long run cutting to the chase is more economical.
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Not necessarily.

I had people question the choice when I chose to buy a 748 over a 916. They were only about $2k difference in price. Kept the 748 for 16 years and never regretted it.

Smaller displacement bikes have their own charms. They can be fun when you consider them for what they are rather than as diminished copies of bigger bikes.
 
Thamer said:
I think the 899 will be more trouble free and a better road going machine. I think if your tracking an R6 the the 899 will be more to your riding style. It's also fun to kick someone's ass on a smaller displacement bike :)
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you mean there are troubles with the 1199? :D

all jokes aside get an 1199 over the 899. the price is close enough. if you are afraid of the power ride it in wet mode
 
Buy the 1199.I have 22000ks on my 1199 a couple little problems.Its never let me down,I ride in race mode most of the time it,s not an issue in traffic. I have come from R1s and this is so much better on the street then a R1.It,s a Ducati I will never buy any other bike now that I have owed one.
 
XIXCIX said:
I agree it just seems way to manufactured. And I tend to think, it feels like, a car with a well worn clutch.
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This is my concern with wet mode on the 1199. Please don't take me considering an 899 as being afraid of the power of the 1199. I just want a bike that has usable power more of the time. I think the 899 will be more fun the ride at a full power mode than having to mute the 1199 down to rain mode. Now with that said I can and would ride the 1199 just like most of the masses in race mode and those times you can use it would be mind blowing. Just as Charliem90 said sometimes little bikes are charming. I'm not considering an 899 because I'm scared, trying to save money, or am settling. After a few years of riding and after spending my first solid year on the track I realized a 600 can do so much if you can really ride it hard and it's rewarding to have to work it to get there. With the 899 I'm hoping to have a little more real world grunt with that same rewarding experience of having to work it a little when I get a chance to really ride it in the canyons. Plus in a few years this new bike will probably become my track bike (but this brings my concern of the slipper clutch into the picture).

I can't lie I want both of these bikes for different reasons. There is no way to compare the 899 straight across. The price is close but the 1199 offers so much. Slipper clutch, gorgeous display, single sided swing arm, better brakes, and mind melting power. But right now from behind my phone I think I will be able to get more out of the 899 with my ability than a 1199. If the weather today cooperates I'll ride the 899.... but no 1199 to compare it too. But I'll be asking where I can find one.

It's kinda funny this decision sucks so bad but what a lucky thing to have to make a decision for... Hmmm what Ducati do I want. Just the thought of owning one after all these years of talking myself out of them makes me happy!
 
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Charliem90 said:
Haven't ridden one but I think the 899 will be a great bike. It's got a closer ratio tranny that may actually be a bit more "twisty" friendly and comes with shorter final drive.
I also love my 1199 base and wouldn't part with it for all of the R1/S1000/RSV4/F4/etc around.

One (sometimes overlooked) thing to consider is the color TFT used for the instrumentation. The more I've ridden my 1199, the more I've come to appreciate the ways Ducati implemented the visual instrumentation you need/use while riding. Their ergonomics engineers did a good job with implementation in how they laid out the dash, their use of color, etc.

The 899 has the monochrome display. And while I'm sure they laid out the info displayed well, because it's a monochrome reflective LCD (with backlight for night time), the contrast isn't as good which can make it harder to read. And of course, lacking color means it may not present the info as effectively.

No, I'm not suggesting you base your decision purely on the instrument display. But it is something worth (among all the other things) taking into consideration while you're deciding.
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Interesting, the Monster 1200s gets a full TFT.
 
Phil said:
why?


i mean, i rather have the 1199 base over a 899 (s, evo, what ever comes out) any day.

displacement is hard to beat ;)
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IMO, it's not all about the outright power potential.
Sure, there's no replacement for displacement and all that sort of thing.
Also I acknowledge that history will always favour the coveted.
But there's more to it than that.
A mid capacity bike (600-750) is easier to ride faster in general terms.
It's about the balance of the package. Potentially more enjoyable?

To be honest I always thought that I would rather have the Pani in a smaller engine capacity right from the start. A 750 would be nice:)
But I had to take it with the 1199 engine as it was first released, and I really didn't think they would release a smaller engine for it. So 1199 it was.
I very much look forward to test riding the 899 though.
Not that I will ever sell the 1199:)
 

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