rear brake

cheeseyduc · May 26, 2012

any body else noticed the rear brake is very poor or is it just
the way it is:

MadeinItaly · May 26, 2012

Not sure I've ever used a rear brake on any bike much.

cheeseyduc · May 26, 2012

front brake is awesome rear brake feels like theres no brake presuure okay just doesnt slow me down

SoonerNation · May 26, 2012

I haven't used the rear brake as it's too high for me. I have to adjust my foot at an awkward angle to use it. So it's just been fronts for me. They are superb.

zaster · May 26, 2012

cheeseyduc said:
any bady else noticed the rear brake is very poor or is it just
the way it is:

It is the same on my 1098S and don't remember the last time I used it....the fronts do the job

doctorj · May 26, 2012

Awesome rear brake!, very good feel. But its not for stopping your bike, it for settling it down and backing it in.

bwaide · May 26, 2012

SoonerNation said:
I haven't used the rear brake as it's too high for me. I have to adjust my foot at an awkward angle to use it. So it's just been fronts for me. They are superb.

Same here, saw in the manual it's adjustable so I'll see if I can lower it a little.

Frosty · May 26, 2012

MadeinItaly said:
Not sure I've ever used a rear brake on any bike much.

I guess you didn't take a course when learning to ride.

zaster · May 26, 2012

FrostyFire said:
I guess you didn't take a course when learning to ride.

Not much need for it on a SBK since a rear lock-up can equal highside in a hurry.
ABS on the other hand will be a game changer.

Ducati Dreams · May 26, 2012

doctorj said:
Awesome rear brake!, very good feel. But its not for stopping your bike, it for settling it down and backing it in.

+1

The rear brake on this thing is awsome. It is way better than any other bike I have ridden.

superfly999 · May 26, 2012

use the rear brake to hold the bike at a stop light...

Its not used for stopping to be honest...

If you dont believe me look it up in Twist of the Wrist and other how to ride books...

Also look at the size of the front calipers and rotors and then look at the back...its pretty clear which ones are made for stopping and which one is used to slow the bike down in your yard

zaster · May 26, 2012

superfly999 said:
use the rear brake to hold the bike at a stop light...

Its not used for stopping to be honest...

If you dont believe me look it up in Twist of the Wrist and other how to ride books...

Also look at the size of the front calipers and rotors and then look at the back...its pretty clear which ones are made for stopping and which one is used to slow the bike down in your yard

+1

mat1529 · May 27, 2012

Everybody does realise that, depending on the level of ABS you have set, when you apply the front brake the bike automatically applies some to the rear brake too?! Can't remember the percentages of front to rear etc off the top of my head, but the rear brake (on the road) is generally used for slow speed manoeuvres and stops etc...

But I don't think cheesyduc is on about stopping the bike with just the rear brake?! Most rear brakes are weak, but as previously mentioned, look at the size of them.

Good shout that you can adjust the height of it, as I too find it very awkward to apply with my right foot.

Delta One · May 27, 2012

Just looking at your bike objectively should tell you that the rear brake should rarely be used.

You have 2 large discs up front with 2 large brake calipers, on the back wheel you have 1 small disc and 1 smaller brake caliper.

Whomever mentioned it before is correct also, bikes with ABS will automatically apply approx 10% rear brake when it feels maximum front brake has been applied and rear of the bike is starting to come up, only on highest ABS setting I believe but could be wrong.

As far as rear brakes go it seems pretty good comparatively. Didn't realise it was adjustable, will check that out, I didn't know that, so thanks for letting me know.

Personally I only ever use it in the following occasions.
At traffic lights, stopped on a hill.
When braking while riding on sand, I suppose for europe when riding on wet grass.
Bring a wheelie down ;-)

CHarles foxtrot · May 27, 2012

doctorj said:
Awesome rear brake!, very good feel. But its not for stopping your bike, it for settling it down and backing it in.

This, plus I use it for manoevering around tight spaces.

In the old days, before backing in was an intentional racing technique, I never used the rear brake on most tracks.

I need to figure out how to do this at my next trackday without crumpling my new bike. Any pointers doctorj?

doctorj · May 27, 2012

mat1529 said:
Everybody does realise that, depending on the level of ABS you have set, when you apply the front brake the bike automatically applies some to the rear brake too?! Can't remember the percentages of front to rear etc off the top of my head, but the rear brake (on the road) is generally used for slow speed manoeuvres and stops etc...

But I don't think cheesyduc is on about stopping the bike with just the rear brake?! Most rear brakes are weak, but as previously mentioned, look at the size of them.

Good shout that you can adjust the height of it, as I too find it very awkward to apply with my right foot.

I also thought this but riding the bike it was not happening, so i looked into it further... This is from manual. Many people have referred to the brakes as LINKED, this meant that the ABS could control both front and rear brakes at the same time. Also you may hear, control " lifting up" this is done by a level sensor and causing a reduced front brake. Very misleading.

"For road use in good grip conditions, both wheels
are controlled by the system; the system combines
braking power generating pressure even on the
rear caliper, anti lift-up control is active but this
setting mostly focuses on braking power and
allows a few uncontrolled lift-ups"

"Normally, the rider will perceive ABS operation as a
harder feel or a pulsation of the brake lever and pedal.
The front and rear brakes use separate control
systems, meaning that they operate independently.
Likewise, the ABS is not an integral braking system
and does not control both the front and rear brake at
the same time.If desired, the system can be deactivated from the
dashboard by using the “ABS disabling function"

doctorj · May 27, 2012

CHarles foxtrot said:
This, plus I use it for manoevering around tight spaces.

In the old days, before backing in was an intentional racing technique, I never used the rear brake on most tracks.

I need to figure out how to do this at my next trackday without crumpling my new bike. Any pointers doctorj?

Yes, don't... lol. you have to learn on a dirt track, preferably with a XR100.

If your very brave, you can turn on ABS "1" and practice locking up your rear wheel in a straight line then allowing the back of the bike to move around gaining you some feel. Regardless, you need to practice in a more forgiving environment.

SOULRIDER · May 27, 2012

Rear brake? The only time it's used is on the track.

Other than may be using it to hold the bike on steep hill I don't see the need on the street.

turnone · May 27, 2012

Delta One said:
Personally I only ever use it in the following occasions.
At traffic lights, stopped on a hill.
When braking while riding on sand, I suppose for europe when riding on wet grass.
Bring a wheelie down ;-)

This pretty much sums up how I use the rear brake as well.
It's more than just size of the calipers/disks,etc, it has way more to do with weight transfer. On a bike such as the 1199, you grab a handful of brake, and what wonderful brakes they are, the rear end lightens and the front is pushed down into the road. A little more brake on the front and the rear is skimming the ground or just above, maybe more if you completely lift it. Therefore, you rear brake doesn't need to be strong because there is nothing to grab a hold of (IE, the road and wheel are barely touching).

Get on a big cruiser, the back end of the bike has enough weight to allow it to work.

The fast racers lock the rear to get the bike aligned for the turn, I still have a lot of work to do in this area

.

Rider safety courses aren't the best to learn to ride quick, its more about safety.

Chris

cheeseyduc · May 27, 2012

turnone said:
This pretty much sums up how I use the rear brake as well.
It's more than just size of the calipers/disks,etc, it has way more to do with weight transfer. On a bike such as the 1199, you grab a handful of brake, and what wonderful brakes they are, the rear end lightens and the front is pushed down into the road. A little more brake on the front and the rear is skimming the ground or just above, maybe more if you completely lift it. Therefore, you rear brake doesn't need to be strong because there is nothing to grab a hold of (IE, the road and wheel are barely touching).

if that was the case the abs would kick in. i cant lock the rear wheel up using the brake

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