rear brake

cheeseyduc said:

turnone said:

This pretty much sums up how I use the rear brake as well.
It's more than just size of the calipers/disks,etc, it has way more to do with weight transfer. On a bike such as the 1199, you grab a handful of brake, and what wonderful brakes they are, the rear end lightens and the front is pushed down into the road. A little more brake on the front and the rear is skimming the ground or just above, maybe more if you completely lift it. Therefore, you rear brake doesn't need to be strong because there is nothing to grab a hold of (IE, the road and wheel are barely touching).



if that was the case the abs would kick in. i cant lock the rear wheel up using the brake

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i believe that the rear is unaffected by the abs in race mode.

i tried it out for the first time this morning and yes it is weak but sufficient imo when you factor in the large amount of engine braking.

pete

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SoonerNation said:

I haven't used the rear brake as it's too high for me. I have to adjust my foot at an awkward angle to use it. So it's just been fronts for me. They are superb.

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2012DUCATI1199 said:

TurnOne has it right. 70% braking power comes from the front due to the shift in weight balance. Any DMV roadbook will tell you that. Larger , dual calipers up front because of this. Most panic skid crashes are from riders applying the same type of pressure ( or more ) on the rear brake during an emergency situation , that they usually apply during normal riding conditions. I think this is from muscle memory. But, during a hard braking emergency stop , there is alot less weight on the rear wheel. So , the slightest amount of pressure on the pedal , can cause the rear to " lock up " and skid , in turn causing the rider to lose control and crash. If I was'nt so cheap , I'd of added ABS to my order. It'll help alot of riders keep the rubber side down. Whether or not you use your rear brake during normal street riding , I believe all riders should find a safe place to pratice stopping quickly using only the front brakes. This repeated practice will help you build up your " muscle memory " , and may save your ass from losing control when some 90 year old blue-hair decides to pull out in front of you at the last possible second.
Ride safe , and enjoy your new bikes guys !

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cheeseyduc said:

turnone said:

This pretty much sums up how I use the rear brake as well.
It's more than just size of the calipers/disks,etc, it has way more to do with weight transfer. On a bike such as the 1199, you grab a handful of brake, and what wonderful brakes they are, the rear end lightens and the front is pushed down into the road. A little more brake on the front and the rear is skimming the ground or just above, maybe more if you completely lift it. Therefore, you rear brake doesn't need to be strong because there is nothing to grab a hold of (IE, the road and wheel are barely touching).



if that was the case the abs would kick in. i cant lock the rear wheel up using the brake

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I don't understand what you are saying.

Bike has ABS on front and rear. Race mode default is ABS only on the front, allowing people to slide the rear as we discussed.

I haven't tried, but I would bet money that you can lock the rear when the ABS is disabled on the rear. EVERY sport bike I have ridden, it was easy to lock the rear.

Chris

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zvez said:

That said, you can't apply track/racing conditions to the street. I don't see how anyone can afford to give up 30% of your braking power in an emergency. Even if that only stops you a fraction of a second earlier, in some instances that's enough. The key, if you do lock up the rear is to not let off the rear brake until the bike is stopped. This is one of the fundamentals in MSF rider training course.

Absolutely, one of the first things to do with this or any other bike is to practice at gradually increasing speeds applying the brakes to see what you've got in terms of stopping power. I demo'd the 1199 and was amazed. I thought my streetfighter and RSV4 brakes were good, the pani are an order of magnitude better. And yet, they're very linear in braking and modulate smoothly.

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