Removal of AIS and and ECM 2019 V4S Panagale

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Installing full Low Akra and will be using Ducati Tune. I understand tune for race applications allows for:

1) Removal of canister and surge valve without CEL issues.

2) Removal of Exhaust Servo motor without CEL issues.

Question: How about removal of the AIS with the Racing EVO tune?

One company has the plates and what seems to be a plug-in terminal resistor (dongle) to mimic the one Actuator at the rear bank.

Some of the other company block off plate pictures do not show anything but the plates and screws.

bp_SFV4 any further understanding on this?

I know you use the moto-electric one but is the electrical terminal end really necessary?

I can appreciate the application to not introduce any further issues with a modification using the electrical terminal end and intend to go with that company as well.

Just trying to understand the system and what the Ducati tune negates for racing use.
 
A 2019 would be EU4 compliant, as is my 2021 US Panigale V4S.

Initially I used a Termi tune with their slip-on. This disabled the exhaust valve and O2 sensors. I installed a Smartmoto block off plate with the terminator to prevent error codes. You have to pull the fuel tank to do this. It's not a hard job, but can be intimidating.

I came across a good price on a full Akra system and bought it. I later went with a tune from @DeussenEngines which I couldn't be happier with. The tune you use can disable the SAI system, negating the need for block offs and the terminator plug.

I don't know if the Ducati/Akra tune turns off the SAI system. I would think it does since the full system removes the catalytic converters, but that's only a guess.
 
I appreciate the response. I know more than I used to.

I have pulled the tank and figured I would do it all while I am in there.

Will probably do the smart moto to be safe.

Amazing bike to work on.
 
Quote: "AIS is not deactivated with the Ducati Racing Evo tune and will need to be left alone. If I wanted it to be removed, I will have to find a tuner that will tune it out of the system OR find a resistor cap to plug into it. It will cause a fault but may or may not create a check engine light". end quote.

I do not at this time feel the need for a custom tune. However, has anyone run the Smart Moto AIS block offs and resistor end cap with the Ducati Racing Evo tune?

Is it worth the effort on the 2019 V4S Panagale or will it introduce other issues?
 
Learjockey1 said:
Quote: "AIS is not deactivated with the Ducati Racing Evo tune and will need to be left alone. If I wanted it to be removed, I will have to find a tuner that will tune it out of the system OR find a resistor cap to plug into it. It will cause a fault but may or may not create a check engine light". end quote.

I do not at this time feel the need for a custom tune. However, has anyone run the Smart Moto AIS block offs and resistor end cap with the Ducati Racing Evo tune?

Is it worth the effort on the 2019 V4S Panagale or will it introduce other issues?
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This Quote came from my Ducati Tech
 
I was still exploring tune options, and if I went the route of using a custom dyno tune, the SAI would dump air into the exhaust and mess up the air/fuel readings. I also didn’t want the pops and flames that the SAI causes once the catalytic converters are removed.

For the most part, a lot of tunes on the market are based on the Ducati Performance one. Tuners manipulate it to their liking but it’s usually their starting place.
 
Woolich just lets you turn it off. Don't need anything downstream. Those are really nice oil separators on the valve covers. It's useful to pull a vacuum on the cases just not from the intake.
 
Gentlemen thank you!

Much clearer now as to the usage of custom tunes and the negative pressure in the crankcase for OEM scavenging.
 
Hello fellas. Ok I deleted most if the system but just plugged the hose that went to that weird looking X connector in the V of the engine to the 4 cylinders. I'm now doing coolant hoses and removing everything. Can I get ride of these 4 map sensors around the airbox or are those different.
 
The MAP sensors are used in the engine base function calculations so they're a required.
 
There's 2 of these ports per cylinder. You need the 1 port as mentioned for the map sensor. That tubing must remain installed.

The other port on each cylinder is for the discharge side of the evap canister. That black plastic V piece is the manifold for the single tube coming off the canister. The unions are M5x7 and can be blocked off
 

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