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^^^ so....you saw Rossi run 9 of 23 laps and can speculate that he had no chance of overtaking Jlo in the other 14 laps if his engine didn't blow. Now that's ignorance... Maybe he could have won or not but nobody will know. Unless you can see the future and in that case give me the winning lottery numbers.

b he could have won or lost nobody knows is correct but to flat out claim he was going to win and holding in reserve is foolish.

he could have won why not but he didnt end of story just like the 15 championship he could have won but didnt.
 
Mugello, yeah! :D Haven't slept for the last 2 days...
"Emotional", "Regligious" and downplaying the events counting against a Rossi win? Come on.. You don't need those suppression techniques if you got a valid argument. I'm all for a discussion, and I don't have anything against Rossi winning. But what I don't like is his tendency last year to sway the crowd so bad against everybody else. It's destructive for the sport. VR46-fans are looking more like a mob every day. Someone observed them burning 93-stuff, and they booed the entire podium after the most thrilling race in a long time, seemingly because Rossi didn't win...
Yes, Rossi was fast down the main straight, but JL wasn't even phased until Marquez passed him in the end. Marquez was also on a different tire strategy than the Yamahas. The more realistic scenario is that Marquez would catch up and Rossi would have to spend more energy to fend him off rather than overtaking Lorenzo. If Rossi had made the pass stick at T1, I'm quite sure Lorenzo would have more to give, as he showed when repassing Marquez in the chicane.
But who knows? My point is, I can't see where Rossi would have this massive advantage this weekend. All I know is we were served a properly thrilling race.

lets not forget lorenzo record at mugello. first or second every time. rossi not so much
 
here you go guys stock up
 

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stupid video but like it or not but MM did a huge amount of damage to his brand last year and he is still dealing with the damage to his image.

you mean rossi did major damage to his brand. i know so many racing fans that like rossi (not the cult ones) that say rossi was pathetic last year and lost respect for him
 
lets not forget this as bad as the honda is this year MM has finished 4 out of 6 races ahead of rossi.
 
b he could have won or lost nobody knows is correct but to flat out claim he was going to win and holding in reserve is foolish.

he could have won why not but he didnt end of story just like the 15 championship he could have won but didnt.
Agreed, I wouldn't claim it was a for sure win but he did look like even with his mistakes overshooting T1 he was able to recover and catch up so his pace didn't seem off.
 
Mugello, yeah! :D Haven't slept for the last 2 days...
"Emotional", "Regligious" and downplaying the events counting against a Rossi win?

Downplaying which events exactly?

Come on.. You don't need those suppression techniques if you got a valid argument.

Again, you are losing me and obviously operating on a higher IQ level than I...
An analogy to your logic is now a suppression technique? The irony here is you calling an analogy to your logic a suppression technique is the real suppression technique...

My valid argument was plainly and clearly stated. Each time Valentino ran wide he was able to streak away from Marquez and immediately place is front tire on Lorenzo's rear tire within half a lap. He was obviously quite comfortable on his bike and Lorenzo could not get away.

This is what leads me to believe that Rossi would have selected a place to pass eventually.

I would also go so far as to ask you to cite a time when Lorenzo and Rossi ever battled that Lorenzo won? Ever.

Given that each bike was equal (perhaps Rossi was a little faster) and Rossi has always won battles against Lorenzo in past, I think it is a reasonable assumption that Rossi would have LIKELY won that race.

Marquez was, unfortunately, done it by his motorcycle's inability to get out of the last turn.

I'm all for a discussion, and I don't have anything against Rossi winning.

Excellent, please read above.

But what I don't like is his tendency last year to sway the crowd so bad against everybody else.

Agreed, to a point. I don't think Marquez had done anything wrong up until the Malaysian Grand Prix and I was disappointed at the call out. I don't blame Marquez for being pissed and I think he handled it with a lot of class. I also don't blame him for wanting to battle Rossi on the track that race. I also don't think Rossi "kicked him" either.

But I understand your particular point.

I would counter, however, the Lorenzo running to race direction and trying to get Rossi DQ'd, then spouting off in the press conference, then admitting that he hadn't even watched the tape was JUST as destructive for the championship.

In the end, Marquez appeared to protect Lorenzo in the final race and showed no desire to battle until his teammate passed him. I do believe this was deliberate and more destructive to the championship and integrity of the sport than somebody making acquisitions.


It's destructive for the sport.

Absolutely, but no more so than purposely interfering with a championship or blocking your teammate from making passes. Acquisitions like running to race direction after a race and claiming that your teammate kicked Marquez and should be disqualified without seeing the race are equally bad.

I thought Rossi should have kept his mouth shut and I didn't like the things he said. I think Lorenzo should have kept his mouth shut after the race and Marquez shouldn't have attempted to change the championship even though I understand why he was so pissed.


VR46-fans are looking more like a mob every day.

Maybe some are but I'm not responsible for anybody but myself.

Someone observed them burning 93-stuff, and they booed the entire podium after the most thrilling race in a long time, seemingly because Rossi didn't win...

Probably more because they don't like the fact that Marquez ...... with the championship and clearly protected Lorenzo's lead in the last race. I don't think they were too upset that he finished second.

Yes, Rossi was fast down the main straight, but JL wasn't even phased until Marquez passed him in the end.

This does ignore the fact that Rossi was constantly able to close on Lorenzo through every corner.

Marquez was also on a different tire strategy than the Yamahas. The more realistic scenario is that Marquez would catch up and Rossi would have to spend more energy to fend him off rather than overtaking Lorenzo.

Except that overtime Rossi would let a gap open between he and Lorenzo he streaked away from Marquez and closed right back on Jorge. It seemed to me that Lorenzo and Marquez were on equal bikes and Rossi was slightly faster. If Lorenzo wouldn't have gotten the lead right away I believe Rossi would have slowly gapped both.


If Rossi had made the pass stick at T1, I'm quite sure Lorenzo would have more to give, as he showed when repassing Marquez in the chicane.

Given that Lorenzo's strategy is universally to build a gap in the beginning of the race and then ease off, I'm not sure how much he had in reserve.


But who knows? My point is, I can't see where Rossi would have this massive advantage this weekend. All I know is we were served a properly thrilling race.

I don't think he had a massive advantage this weekend but I do think out of the top three he had the best pace. It is a moot argument, but I would ask you not to let your distain for his stupid fans cloud your logic on this point, otherwise my analogy becomes true despite your suppression technique. :)
 
I can't wait next year to see the 3 way battle between Lorenzo, Marquez, and Vinalies. Though in my heart of hearts MM on a Ducati would have been the best. His style is the most reminiscent of Stoner's. And the extra HP of the Duc would have made him look like Stoner of 2007, crushing! Vinalies will be a force on the M1. 2017 will be the year of great racing. I personally don't see Rossi in contention like 2015 ever again b
 
I can't wait next year to see the 3 way battle between Lorenzo, Marquez, and Vinalies. Though in my heart of hearts MM on a Ducati would have been the best. His style is the most reminiscent of Stoner's. And the extra HP of the Duc would have made him look like Stoner of 2007, crushing! Vinalies will be a force on the M1. 2017 will be the year of great racing. I personally don't see Rossi in contention like 2015 ever again b

I would not right off Rossi too soon. I think he still has a chance while his heart is still in it. Rossi is tenacious.
 
todd h like rossi a little too much your post was so long i wont even disbute not that i cant but that i dont want to.

bottom line heres a tissue. rossi lost the championship in 2015 and lost this race so maybe next time he could show how fast he is and how great his mind games. rossi hasnt won in at this track since 08 at the same time lorenzo finished first or second the last 7 years.

moto gp will be so much better when this bum is gone.
 
todd h like rossi a little too much your post was so long i wont even disbute not that i cant but that i dont want to.

bottom line heres a tissue. rossi lost the championship in 2015 and lost this race so maybe next time he could show how fast he is and how great his mind games. rossi hasnt won in at this track since 08 at the same time lorenzo finished first or second the last 7 years.

moto gp will be so much better when this bum is gone.

marktard calls the GOAT a bum... never underestimate the stupidity of this forum's ......: marktard is this forum's undisputed certifiable bum..
 
on another note did you guys see stoner shaking his head knowing he is faster than both ducati guys.
 
I'm hoping Stoner wildcards PI so Ducati can have a win this season. Plus I think the island would erupt.
 

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