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may 6 2012 was the first time someone has won (thats 1st place) at the time (i believe it has been done again) on every track on the moto gp calendar. (my mistake not a calendar year) the man who did it? Casey stoner.

Again how long have YOU BEEN WATCHING MOTO GP.

Cap finished 3rd in 2006. in 2006 bayliss raced 1 time for ducati yes he won hardly making him a world championship

On September 23rd in Japan Stoner secured Ducati’s FIRST MotoGP World Championship, becoming the first rider in more than 30 years to win the MotoGP title on a European made bike.

Finally my last fact for this guy in Australia who should know stoner better then me:

Returning for the final four rounds, Stoner adds one more win to his tally – fittingly enough – at Phillip Island to secure third in the overall standings. It meant Stoner would walk away from MotoGP (after just 115 starts in seven seasons) with 38 wins, 69 podiums and two title wins – a ratio of winning one in every three races.

i guess watching moto gp in Australia is different from what we watch here in the states right panigale S. guess your memory is failing time to buy some ginkgo biloba.

HOW LONG YOU BEEN WATCHING MOTO GP HMMMM?
 
PanigaleS said:
Hmmm, I seem to remember Loris Capirossi and Troy Baylis winning on Ducati MotoGP bikes in 2006. Also if my memory serves me correctly, I am pretty sure that when Rossi won at Indianapolis in 2008 he had won at every MotoGP track on the calendar that year.

If you are going to talk objectively about MotoGP, please get your facts right! How long did you say you have been watching MotoGP as it doesn't seem long with all of the incorrect statements you make.
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ok so i proved you wrong on every part of every statement. finally the rossi winning indy. this i did not know but google is great
2008 moto gp the race was a battle between Rossi and former World Champion Nicky Hayden, who eventually took his first podium of the season.

HAHAHA ROSSI DIDNT WIN THAT EITHER HAYDEN DID. go back down under study up and get back to me when you actually KNOW SOMETHING laughing at you not at rossi not winning nothing you said in your posts are accurate
 
mark419ny said:
ok so i proved you wrong on every part of every statement. finally the rossi winning indy. this i did not know but google is great
2008 moto gp the race was a battle between Rossi and former World Champion Nicky Hayden, who eventually took his first podium of the season.

HAHAHA ROSSI DIDNT WIN THAT EITHER HAYDEN DID. go back down under study up and get back to me when you actually KNOW SOMETHING laughing at you not at rossi not winning nothing you said in your posts are accurate
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Where is your proof? What I see is a biased interpretation of incorrect statements. Unlike you I am being impartial and objective. Your posts above highlight your ignorance as you didn't even know that Troy Baylis had won a MotoGp race and thought I was talking about WSB.

I can't see anywhere in your post about winning championships on a Ducati, you made a broad statement that no one but Stoner had won on a Ducati. I thought I would just point out that other riders had actually won on a Ducati.

I have been watching 500cc/MotoGp races for about 25 years now and don't normally need to resort to Google to search for facts as I remember from watching the races at the time.

You crack me up though. Not sure what Google you are using (must be the I love Stoner version) because my Google returns these results:

motogp.com · Rossi wins curtailed maiden Red Bull Indianapolis Grand Prix

And from another source on Google:

His victories at Laguna Seca (after a pass down the "Corkscrew" corner over Stoner,[10][11][12] who crashed but continued and took the second place) and at a rain-shortened race in Indianapolis, meant that Rossi has won in every current circuit in the calendar.

I await your next post which will no doubt be a personal attack on my lack of knowledge.
 
PanigaleS said:
Where is your proof? What I see is a biased interpretation of incorrect statements. Unlike you I am being impartial and objective. Your posts above highlight your ignorance as you didn't even know that Troy Baylis had won a MotoGp race and thought I was talking about WSB.

I can't see anywhere in your post about winning championships on a Ducati, you made a broad statement that no one but Stoner had won on a Ducati. I thought I would just point out that other riders had actually won on a Ducati.

I have been watching 500cc/MotoGp races for about 25 years now and don't normally need to resort to Google to search for facts as I remember from watching the races at the time.

You crack me up though. Not sure what Google you are using (must be the I love Stoner version) because my Google returns these results:

motogp.com · Rossi wins curtailed maiden Red Bull Indianapolis Grand Prix

And from another source on Google:

His victories at Laguna Seca (after a pass down the “Corkscrew” corner over Stoner,[10][11][12] who crashed but continued and took the second place) and at a rain-shortened race in Indianapolis, meant that Rossi has won in every current circuit in the calendar.

I await your next post which will no doubt be a personal attack on my lack of knowledge.
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Hes right about the Indy race. It was the inaugural race there and we were pounded by heavy rains from the tropical storm all week. Hayden was gaining on Rossi and it was assumed with his lap times and speed he would eventually overtake Rossi, but the race was called and the first MotoGP of Indy was won by the Dr.
 
i dont do personal attacks why would i? i dont know you and this is just a friendly jabbing.. i stand corrected i misread wikipedia it said this exactly:

2008 moto gp the race was a battle between Rossi and former World Champion Nicky Hayden, who eventually took his first podium of the season
so i thought nicky won so i was wrong not that big of a deal.

when people say stoner is the only person to ever win on a ducati it is widely known that they mean the championship. unless you know of another motoGP rider to have won the world championship on a ducati.

so i was wrong on indy. everything else is correct if you want to say cap or bayliss won on ducati go ahead but if you google moto gp championships from the begining of time i dont see ducati there but once 2007 casey stoner.
 
mark419ny said:
as i said 72 dolphins 80s islanders 90 cowboys.
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Still not making any sense. You said u could debate Rossi's non-qualifications over the last 5 years, which includes 2 years that he won the title. You can dislike the guy all you want, but the second you say someone was not qualified during a year they won the title of the premier world motorcycle racing series you pretty much lose all credibility to have any sort of sensible, fact-based discussion.
 
Ok, so here are all of your incorrect statements.....

mark419ny said:
bayliss history in moto gp where did he win?


2003 was bayliss best finish in motogp he finished 6th

so if your going to talk objectively about moto gp please get YOUR facts straight. Your mistakes are many.

i guess you believe world super bike is moto gp lol
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Wrong - Baylis won Valencia 2006, my facts are right and I have made no mistakes.

mark419ny said:
may 6 2012 was the first time someone has won (thats 1st place) at the time (i believe it has been done again) on every track on the moto gp calendar. (my mistake not a calendar year) the man who did it? Casey stoner.
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Wrong - Rossi did this in 2008 when he won at Indianapolis

mark419ny said:
Finally my last fact for this guy in Australia who should know stoner better then me:

Returning for the final four rounds, Stoner adds one more win to his tally - fittingly enough - at Phillip Island to secure third in the overall standings. It meant Stoner would walk away from MotoGP (after just 115 starts in seven seasons) with 38 wins, 69 podiums and two title wins - a ratio of winning one in every three races.

i guess watching moto gp in Australia is different from what we watch here in the states right panigale S. guess your memory is failing time to buy some ginkgo biloba.

HOW LONG YOU BEEN WATCHING MOTO GP HMMMM?
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I didn't dispute this fact, but would like to add after Rossi's first 7 seasons in 500 cc / MotoGP he had 114 starts, 58 wins, 91 podiums and 5 consecutive world titles, which far outweighs Stoner's efforts.

You can say whatever you like, but facts are facts. I have a very good memory, it isn't failing me and am pretty sure that I watch the same MotoGP in Australia as you watch in the States.

mark419ny said:
ok so i proved you wrong on every part of every statement. finally the rossi winning indy. this i did not know but google is great
2008 moto gp the race was a battle between Rossi and former World Champion Nicky Hayden, who eventually took his first podium of the season.

HAHAHA ROSSI DIDNT WIN THAT EITHER HAYDEN DID. go back down under study up and get back to me when you actually KNOW SOMETHING laughing at you not at rossi not winning nothing you said in your posts are accurate
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Hehe so wrong it isn't funny.

mark419ny said:
i dont do personal attacks why would i? i dont know you and this is just a friendly jabbing.. i stand corrected i misread wikipedia it said this exactly:

2008 moto gp the race was a battle between Rossi and former World Champion Nicky Hayden, who eventually took his first podium of the season
so i thought nicky won so i was wrong not that big of a deal.
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This is after you have just told me to go and study and get back to you when I know something and that you are laughing at me because nothing I said in my posts was accurate? Guess it isn't such a big deal that the majority of stuff that comes out of your mouth about MotoGP is totally wrong and you can't even read the facts from Google and translate them to this page accurately.

As MacaveliMC says above, you have no credibility and have a very biased view of MotoGP. I can't be bothered reading your posts anymore so will no longer comment.
 
PanigaleS said:
Ok, so here are all of your incorrect statements.....



Wrong - Baylis won Valencia 2006, my facts are right and I have made no mistakes.



Wrong - Rossi did this in 2008 when he won at Indianapolis



I didn't dispute this fact, but would like to add after Rossi's first 7 seasons in 500 cc / MotoGP he had 114 starts, 58 wins, 91 podiums and 5 consecutive world titles, which far outweighs Stoner's efforts.

You can say whatever you like, but facts are facts. I have a very good memory, it isn't failing me and am pretty sure that I watch the same MotoGP in Australia as you watch in the States.



Hehe so wrong it isn't funny.



This is after you have just told me to go and study and get back to you when I know something and that you are laughing at me because nothing I said in my posts was accurate? Guess it isn't such a big deal that the majority of stuff that comes out of your mouth about MotoGP is totally wrong and you can't even read the facts from Google and translate them to this page accurately.

As MacaveliMC says above, you have no credibility and have a very biased view of MotoGP. I can't be bothered reading your posts anymore so will no longer comment.
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bayliss statement is correct. full season best finish is correct you guys are talking 1 race i am talking season if you want to say one race makes a guy go ahead . oh you already did cause rossi just won 1 race in 2 years.

so buy your logic if stoner was to wild card this year and win the race he is the champ? guess so.
dont need you to comment cause the only thing you are right about is indy.
i wasnt comparing their lifetime achievements and if you do the math more wins doesnt mean a better winning percentage. cy young had the most wins. he also had the most losses
 
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i never said bayliss didnt win A RACE . i know he won a race as i am a big bayliss fan. he did his work in wsbk for ducati NOT MOTOGP. 1 race does not win a championship.
 
here is bayliss career in moto gp. show me where he won a championship not a race

Both Bayliss and Edwards moved to MotoGP in 2003, and it was Bayliss who was initially more successful. In Ducati's first season in the class their bike was highly competitive, with Bayliss taking three third places and finishing sixth overall in the championship. He briefly led at Philip Island, Brno and Welkom, and only narrowly losing the rookie of the year race to Nicky Hayden. Team-mate Loris Capirossi took their first win at the Circuit de Catalunya.
2004 was a difficult year for the team however, with Bayliss only 14th in the standings. Despite (or perhaps due to) its prodigious straight-line speed the bike didn't handle well, with Bayliss often over-riding and crashing frequently, this led to Bayliss' subsequent sacking from the factory Ducati squad, a part of which Bayliss had been for five years previous. This move was considered an unpopular one by many, considering that neither Bayliss nor Capirossi were able to perform as well as they had the previous year.
According to some, confirmation that Bayliss' sacking was influenced by sponsorship pressure rather than any performance based reasons was seen in the appointment of Carlos Checa as Bayliss' replacement. However, Bayliss is much older than Capirossi, and had not been as close to him in 2004 as he had in 2003, so some questioned whether he had any more to offer the team.
However, good results near the end of the season earned him a ride with Sito Pons' Camel Honda team for 2005, but was not a frontrunner, despite promising speed shown in his first tests on the 2004 machine and Alex Barros winning in Portugal. A severely broken arm meant that Bayliss was unable to compete in the final six races, had he done so, the season ending Valencian Grand Prix would have been his 50th Grand Prix appearance. Bayliss did give an insight as to his inability to crack into the upper echelons of Grand Prix racing, describing the Honda MotoGP bike and MotoGP bikes in general as too inflexible, rigid, and like a 250 for his style.
After the success of 2006 Superbike, Ducati offered Bayliss a wildcard entry in the final MotoGP race of the year in Valencia, due to Sete Gibernau being injured. Remarkably Bayliss qualified 2nd and led the whole race, which ended in a Ducati 1-2. His impressive victory was somewhat overshadowed by the dramatic events involving Valentino Rossi and Nicky Hayden that ultimately determined the 2006 title winner.
 
MacaveliMC said:
Still not making any sense. You said u could debate Rossi's non-qualifications over the last 5 years, which includes 2 years that he won the title. You can dislike the guy all you want, but the second you say someone was not qualified during a year they won the title of the premier world motorcycle racing series you pretty much lose all credibility to have any sort of sensible, fact-based discussion.
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ok can only answer so many things at one time. what do all you rossi guys call each other and say someone said something bad about rossi lets attack.

ok he won 2 titles so did JLO. JLO way more consistant over the last 5 years. for that matter so is danny and so was casey.

the reference to the 72 dolphins is just like what you guys do with rossi. 9 times world champ yes i know. just like i know back in 72 the fins went undefeated.
 
mark419ny said:
ok can only answer so many things at one time. what do all you rossi guys call each other and say someone said something bad about rossi lets attack.

ok he won 2 titles so did JLO. JLO way more consistant over the last 5 years. for that matter so is danny and so was casey.

the reference to the 72 dolphins is just like what you guys do with rossi. 9 times world champ yes i know. just like i know back in 72 the fins went undefeated.
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Of course JLO was more consistent in the last 5 years, he has been on a half decent bike the whole time, unlike Rossi. He's also younger (yes it does make a bit of difference) as well. Like we said, there are a lot of factors that go into how well a rider does. It's not black and white, he's great or he's horrible. Sensible discussions about a rider don't include knee-jerk reactions to the masses, who in this case obviously love Rossi, for good reason looking at his record and how popular he has made the sport.

Is Rossi as good as he was when he won the title 5 times in a row? Maybe not. Is he the worst in the field? Definitely not. I think he said it best himself, how people go back and forth on him saying "oh Valentino, he's very young he's still good, and then on Valentino he's old and he's done, and then back to oh Valentino, he's still good". Personally, I take him at his word when he says he's been at a consistent level the whole time. People try to say "oh well if he's so good why couldn't he do well on the Ducati? Stoner was able to do it so Stoner must be better! Rossi is only as good as the bike under him!" which is probably one of the most retarded statements ever invented, clearly by someone who doesn't understand motorsport racing. A better, probably more accurate statement would be why was Stoner the ONLY one successful on the Ducati? Every rider is different and there's a good chance the bike just fit Casey's riding style (at least for that one year, then after that he started to suffer of course). The fact that highly talented guys like Nicky Hayden, Andrea and Spies are suffering on the Ducati is proof enough for me that it probably wasn't Rossi, it was the bike.

Then on top of that, coming back to Yamaha and getting back on the M1 (which has clearly changed, as all these bikes do every year) and somehow immediately taking 2nd in the first race of the year against the best riders in the world, most of whom have been on their current bikes for a year or two? I don't care who you are, if that's not impressive, you're blind deaf an dumb. The guy is clearly still talented, even against a talented field. He may not win the title, but he's definitely not going to be relegated to the place of a has-been like Edwards anytime soon.

So there ya go, an example of a fact-based sensible discussion on where Rossi has been and where he is today.

BTW there is a HUGE, HUGE, HUUUUUUGE difference when comparing a championship football team that probably doesn't even contain the same staff members let alone players from 40 years ago, to a single athlete who has been competing for a decade. That example holds no weight whatsoever in these discussions.
 
MacaveliMC said:
Of course JLO was more consistent in the last 5 years, he has been on a half decent bike the whole time, unlike Rossi. He's also younger (yes it does make a bit of difference) as well. Like we said, there are a lot of factors that go into how well a rider does. It's not black and white, he's great or he's horrible. Sensible discussions about a rider don't include knee-jerk reactions to the masses, who in this case obviously love Rossi, for good reason looking at his record and how popular he has made the sport.

Is Rossi as good as he was when he won the title 5 times in a row? Maybe not. Is he the worst in the field? Definitely not. I think he said it best himself, how people go back and forth on him saying "oh Valentino, he's very young he's still good, and then on Valentino he's old and he's done, and then back to oh Valentino, he's still good". Personally, I take him at his word when he says he's been at a consistent level the whole time. People try to say "oh well if he's so good why couldn't he do well on the Ducati? Stoner was able to do it so Stoner must be better! Rossi is only as good as the bike under him!" which is probably one of the most retarded statements ever invented, clearly by someone who doesn't understand motorsport racing. A better, probably more accurate statement would be why was Stoner the ONLY one successful on the Ducati? Every rider is different and there's a good chance the bike just fit Casey's riding style (at least for that one year, then after that he started to suffer of course). The fact that highly talented guys like Nicky Hayden, Andrea and Spies are suffering on the Ducati is proof enough for me that it probably wasn't Rossi, it was the bike.

Then on top of that, coming back to Yamaha and getting back on the M1 (which has clearly changed, as all these bikes do every year) and somehow immediately taking 2nd in the first race of the year against the best riders in the world, most of whom have been on their current bikes for a year or two? I don't care who you are, if that's not impressive, you're blind deaf an dumb. The guy is clearly still talented, even against a talented field. He may not win the title, but he's definitely not going to be relegated to the place of a has-been like Edwards anytime soon.

So there ya go, an example of a fact-based sensible discussion on where Rossi has been and where he is today.

BTW there is a HUGE, HUGE, HUUUUUUGE difference when comparing a championship football team that probably doesn't even contain the same staff members let alone players from 40 years ago, to a single athlete who has been competing for a decade. That example holds no weight whatsoever in these discussions.
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more excuses he is on the same bike as JLO now and not even close to him. the only reason he isnt a has been already is a great marketing campaign, and motoGP needs him so the announcers have to talk about him constantly. he isnt doing that much better than DOVI right now and Dovi is on the ducati. oh the same ducati rossi was on for 2 years.

Im done commenting on rossi till germany. I hope the people who read my posts (dont have to agree) but know what i ment when i said stoner was the only one to win on a ducati. i wasnt talking 1 race i ment championship. I know people have won races on the Ducati.

i have also given in previous posts on what makes rossi over rated his whole career. you can find the posts if you like im not going to retype them. rossi is on the M1 now and he is barely better than dovi is. dovi is doing better on the Ducati than rossi did. whatever doesnt matter you have your opinion i have mine. just when he doesnt finish well i hope you post that too.

There are plenty of rossi fans that i talk to. thats fine. i never said he wasnt a good rider. i said he is over rated. much like Peyton manning. both will be in the hall of fame in their sport but gaudy stats dont make you the best. peyton took denver as far as tebow did last year. 1 playoff loss.
 
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mark419ny said:
more excuses he is on the same bike as JLO now and not even close to him. the only reason he isnt a has been already is a great marketing campaign, and motoGP needs him so the announcers have to talk about him constantly. he isnt doing that much better than DOVI right now and Dovi is on the ducati. oh the same ducati rossi was on for 2 years.

Im done commenting on rossi till germany. I hope the people who read my posts (dont have to agree) but know what i ment when i said stoner was the only one to win on a ducati. i wasnt talking 1 race i ment championship. I know people have won races on the Ducati.

i have also given in previous posts on what makes rossi over rated his whole career. you can find the posts if you like im not going to retype them. rossi is on the M1 now and he is barely better than dovi is. dovi is doing better on the Ducati than rossi did. whatever doesnt matter you have your opinion i have mine. just when he doesnt finish well i hope you post that too.

There are plenty of rossi fans that i talk to. thats fine. i never said he wasnt a good rider. i said he is over rated. much like Peyton manning. both will be in the hall of fame in their sport but gaudy stats dont make you the best. peyton took denver as far as tebow did last year. 1 playoff loss.
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He is definitely on a different bike than JLO, it's set up for him not JLO. Different riders have different styles and thus different bike setups and preferences. The bike doesn't remain the same week to week let alone after a couple years of developing the bike under JLO. I guarantee you'd notice a night and day difference if u jumped on both bikes for a few laps. It's not an excuse, it's a fact of life riding prototype machines.

I'd be willing to bet more people post about Rossi not doing well than any other rider. Of course it's not for the same reason you would, they're lamenting a legendary rider not doing as well as they'd hoped while you're usually boasting about how much he sucks and is done for.
 
i agree that they are different yet the same. if that makes sense. rossi takes the bike and tweeks it to the way he likes it. my point was that the bikes start out the same, so you cant say i got beat by a better bike a la the ducati not as good of a bike.
 
youngR said:
not sure if I am reading about MotoGP or NFL anymore...why keep brining up NFL. I dont give a .... about NFL on Motorcycle forums. lol
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it was to make a point. ever talk to a dolphin fan? they still say 72 fins best ever much like rossi fans.
does anybody read between the lines on this forum? much like when i say stoner was the only to win on a ducati. is it true that other riders have one a race on the ducati yes but only stoner won a world title.
 
rossi is one of the greatest of ALL TIME in all motor sports. his record is legendary. stop with the bashing. he CAN'T be OVERRATED in terms of his STATS.

this thread went dumb as soon as rossi was denigrated.
 

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