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What's a 916SPS go for if you can find one? $12-15K? Eventually it's only worth what someone's willing to pay... in 5-10 years I bet you'll see them for under $30K


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V4.

Money and cool/exclusivity factor aside, I'm not really interested in owning a SL for the same reason I don't own a 1299 or a Panigale R. It's fundamentally the same bike I already have. Sure, it's a higher state of tune and a more refined version but at the end of the day it's 95% the same bike.

The V4 will be fundamentally different and so it's worth evaluating when they get here.
 
BTrain5489 said:
V4.

Money and cool/exclusivity factor aside, I'm not really interested in owning a SL for the same reason I don't own a 1299 or a Panigale R. It's fundamentally the same bike I already have. Sure, it's a higher state of tune and a more refined version but at the end of the day it's 95% the same bike.

The V4 will be fundamentally different and so it's worth evaluating when they get here.
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it's really a very different bike to what you have, it may look the same but most of the parts are different not the same.
 
BTrain5489 said:
V4.

Money and cool/exclusivity factor aside, I'm not really interested in owning a SL for the same reason I don't own a 1299 or a Panigale R. It's fundamentally the same bike I already have. Sure, it's a higher state of tune and a more refined version but at the end of the day it's 95% the same bike.

The V4 will be fundamentally different and so it's worth evaluating when they get here.
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Apples and oranges. Saying your 1199s is 95% the same bike as a SL is like saying a 3.6L V6 Camaro is fundamentally the same as a ZL1.
 
Dingo said:
What's a 916SPS go for if you can find one? $12-15K? Eventually it's only worth what someone's willing to pay... in 5-10 years I bet you'll see them for under $30K


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Well since you brought it up, I just sold one of my two 1998 916SPS for close to $40k. Granted, it has 7 miles on it but still... My one with 6k (which I won't sell) I was offered $19k.

I think you're missing my point. As things get used, they may be worth less. In 10 years will you find an SL for under $30k? Possibly. But it will have a lot more miles than it has now and that's 10 years that you will have missed the opportunity to use it. That works out to a little over $1k a year. Is it worth $1k a year to you to have an SL? That's not like the $10k a year (or more) that the first owner had to deal with.
 
Sherpa23 said:
Well since you brought it up, I just sold one of my two 1998 916SPS for close to $40k. Granted, it has 7 miles on it but still... My one with 6k (which I won't sell) I was offered $19k.



I think you're missing my point. As things get used, they may be worth less. In 10 years will you find an SL for under $30k? Possibly. But it will have a lot more miles than it has now and that's 10 years that you will have missed the opportunity to use it. That works out to a little over $1k a year. Is it worth $1k a year to you to have an SL? That's not like the $10k a year (or more) that the first owner had to deal with.
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Point well taken! And I agree with you 1000% . If I had the disposable income I'd have one or two ;)


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Rogue said:
Apples and oranges. Saying your 1199s is 95% the same bike as a SL is like saying a 3.6L V6 Camaro is fundamentally the same as a ZL1.
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I'm talking about track performance as measured by lap time and five percent is an incredibly generous basically imaginary number. The real difference is smaller and for most people it's probably negligible or negative.
 
Sherpa23 said:
As time goes on I suspect people will start to understand more and more what an incredibly epic bike this is. Over time, the V4's that were unveiled will become just another nice Ducati while bikes like the two Superleggeras will become more and more legendary.



It boggles my mind that some people currently don't seem to appreciate how special and magnificent the SLs are. The 1299 SL was being poo poohed by a number of people on this forum when it was introduced!!
Along with the 888SPS the SLs are far and away the most impressive bikes Ducati have ever offered for sale to the public. Can't believe it would take ten years to understand how special they are!
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Sherpa23 said:
Have you ridden a Superleggera (either one)? It's not about the power; it's the weight that makes all the difference in the world. I would never replace my 1199 Superleggera for any V4. When they eventually make a V4 Superleggera, I'll probably add one. In the meantime there is just no comparison for a sub 350lb bike that puts out 190rwhp. I feel the lack of weight everywhere, even just pushing it around the garage.

In fact, I hope that the V4 pushes 1299SL prices down to sub $50k for a low mileage one because I'll add one of those, too. I won't replace my 1199SL with it but the two would go together (and the V4 SL when they eventually build that).
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I agree about the weight aspect. I loved the 1199SL but cannot afford one. The 1299SL would have been awesome too but just way too much money for me.

So that is why I am putting so much effort into taking weight off my "old" 1199S. I know it will still be just another 1199S and I will never get back the money etc, but I will never sell it so will not have to take the hit. I cannot weight (pun intended) to feel the difference when I finally get time to add all my lighter stuff.

When I purchased my K1300S, I could not believe the difference in just trying to push it around the garage. Seems like it weighs a an imperial ton.

So will probably never have an SL but I think I will have something as light. :)

And if I had the chance I would go for the 1299SL over the V4. That is until the V4 SL comes out. :) :)
 
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Hahahhahaaa.....this question....oh man. Seriously??
How is a run of the mill Duc v4 even on par with their greatest v2 custom build weighing less than the WSBK bikes with more performance? I've got another question...A 2017 Maclaren 570GT or a 2018 Hyundai Sonata? ...asking for a friend.
 
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I'm waiting for the oval piston V5.:eek:
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True story..... my buddies sisters cousins next door neighbor works with the brother of the head R&D tech at Ducati. He snuck out this pic of the 2020 Oval piston Panigale. It's been Dub'd the O.P.P project.

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Sherpa23 said:
Have you ridden a Superleggera (either one)? It's not about the power; it's the weight that makes all the difference in the world. I would never replace my 1199 Superleggera for any V4. When they eventually make a V4 Superleggera, I'll probably add one. In the meantime there is just no comparison for a sub 350lb bike that puts out 190rwhp. I feel the lack of weight everywhere, even just pushing it around the garage.

In fact, I hope that the V4 pushes 1299SL prices down to sub $50k for a low mileage one because I'll add one of those, too. I won't replace my 1199SL with it but the two would go together (and the V4 SL when they eventually build that).
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Yah, yah.. I'm with you totally.. I've two SL's.. one for the road, for meet ups, cruising etc and one I've had race prepped for track..Totally solid. I'm thinking I might 'add' a few more to my line up as I've got several properties, like in the South of France, Dubai and Italy, etc etc and it's kind of a bummer not having a ride at these locations, only got the Ferrari's and the Lambo's there oh, and my new Chiron which I just 'added' like that's sick.. but not the same..
 
Yah, yah.. I'm with you totally.. I've two SL's.. one for the road, for meet ups, cruising etc and one I've had race prepped for track..Totally solid. I'm thinking I might 'add' a few more to my line up as I've got several properties, like in the South of France, Dubai and Italy, etc etc and it's kind of a bummer not having a ride at these locations, only got the Ferrari's and the Lambo's there oh, and my new Chiron which I just 'added' like that's sick.. but not the same..
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Yah, yah.. I'm with you totally.. I've two SL's.. one for the road, for meet ups, cruising etc and one I've had race prepped for track..Totally solid. I'm thinking I might 'add' a few more to my line up as I've got several properties, like in the South of France, Dubai and Italy, etc etc and it's kind of a bummer not having a ride at these locations, only got the Ferrari's and the Lambo's there oh, and my new Chiron which I just 'added' like that's sick.. but not the same..
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Same . I use one for the anchor of my yacht while drift fishing it has good drag .
 

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