Suter Clutch Query: Dry or Wet?

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It looks like it’s wet based on the installation instructions and their guidance stating that it wears quicker and will contaminate the oil so more frequent oil changes are required, along with fitting a cover with gaskets, etc.

Further information on that page goes on to mention the Desmosedici RR, so I might be as confused as you… 🤣
 
Maybe their website helps more:

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SuterClutch

First choice for many factory teams in WSBK, MOTOGP & MXGP Over 400 Grand Prix victories and countless World Championship titles with the SuterClutch speak for themselves – engineering and technology at the highest level.
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It looks like the one you linked to is for the Desmosedici, which would make it a dry clutch I believe…
 
what are you looking to achieve? and for what bike? Do you have a Desmosedici?
do they do it for your bike you want to fit it to?
 
andyb said:
what are you looking to achieve? and for what bike? Do you have a Desmosedici?
do they do it for your bike you want to fit it to?
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My clutch outer gear is worn, looking at options to replace the whole STM unit…want a dry clutch like I have now. The new smaller lighter clutch for the new V4R is absurdly priced…$841 just for the discs lol
 
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SuterClutch Ducati Panigale V4R

The BTL (Back Torque Limiter) SuterClutch was specifically developed to improve lap times while reducing the physical effort required by the rider. It can be simply and easily adjusted to different conditions and rider styles. It reduces the strain on all components including the gearbox...
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Posted wrong link in the OP

That’s the one
 
I thought you’d bought yourself a Desmosedici!! 🤣

The one you’ve linked to now is the V4R version and you’d expect that to be a dry clutch. It’s going to be a tricky install if it’s not!
 
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Steven31371 said:
My clutch outer gear is worn, looking at options to replace the whole STM unit…want a dry clutch like I have now. The new smaller lighter clutch for the new V4R is absurdly priced…$841 just for the discs lol
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Hey Steven when you mention "your clutch outer gear is worn" which part do you specifically mean? Do you mean the Clutch Basket/housing? Ive been through a few baskets on mine and was curious. The clutch hub can be a issue also. I know of one guy that has had to replace that also. Just wanted to know what was worn on yours. Thanks and have a great thanks giving holiday....
 
Danger Close MFG said:
Hey Steven when you mention "your clutch outer gear is worn" which part do you specifically mean? Do you mean the Clutch Basket/housing? Ive been through a few baskets on mine and was curious. The clutch hub can be a issue also. I know of one guy that has had to replace that also. Just wanted to know what was worn on yours. Thanks and have a great thanks giving holiday....
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Yeah the clutch basket has wear from the disc teeth cutting into it…EVR makes one out of Ergal and Ducabike makes a disc set with the sintered friction plate made out of an aluminum alloy, between the two I think I may shed a bit of rotation mass.

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Ducabike DF05 High Performance Racing Clutch Kit for Panigale V4R | Motomillion

Ducabike DF05 high performance superbike racing upgraded dry clutch pack disc kit for Ducati Panigale V4R 2019 2020 models. Same clutch packs that are used by SBK race bikes. Includes 9 steel discs and 9 sintered discs. Everything you need to upgrade your dry clutch setup. Free shipping within...
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EVR 48 Tooth Ergal Dry Clutch Basket

EVR 48 Tooth Ergal Dry Clutch Basket
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Steven31371 said:
My clutch outer gear is worn, looking at options to replace the whole STM unit…want a dry clutch like I have now. The new smaller lighter clutch for the new V4R is absurdly priced…$841 just for the discs lol
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In the overall scheme of things and what you have done to improve your bike and specifically reduce rotational mass, the incremental cost of the smaller, lighter clutch compare to the replacement of yours is nothing really??
 
cl955 said:
In the overall scheme of things and what you have done to improve your bike and specifically reduce rotational mass, the incremental cost of the smaller, lighter clutch compare to the replacement of yours is nothing really??
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I haven’t priced it out yet but I think that new clutch is gunna be about $5000…and the real issue is that you can only get the clutch plates from Ducati, and they are $841 a set versus $320 for the same but bigger STM set we buy now. I replace my clutch plates about every 5th track or so.

It’s not sooo much about costs, it’s more about feeling like Ducati is pushing the limits on ‘sucker’ spending and I don’t want to reward them for that
 
There is no ‘kit’ for the new clutch, you have to order each part individually from Ducati.

The pick with the bigger clutch basket and discs etc is for the previous OEM STM Dry clutch, the smaller stuff is from the new clutch…essentially every part in the top two rows you have to buy as an individual part. When they told me just the friction discs were $841 I didn’t even look up the cost fir the rest of it lol

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bp_SFV4 said:
Who is Ducati's OEM? I doubt they're producing clutch disks or any of those parts at the factory.
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STM produces the Ducati OEM Dry Clutch. You can order the previous generation STM dry clutch that’s exactly the same as the one Ducati uses as OEM from everywhere. But with the newest smaller lighter clutch STM is only selling it through Ducati.

Which is why I couldn’t find it anywhere online…there is no ‘kit’ or package for it available for sale anywhere, you have to go by the parts fitch and buy each component from Ducati and build it out. Fairly easy to do, but Ducati seems to be trying to make it cost prohibitive to do so by putting FU pricing on each component.

Presumably because Ducati probably participated in the R&D costs, and want to recoup those with that ABSURD pricing, and/or Ducati wants to discourage simply upgrading to the newer part instead of buying the new bike.
 
Steven31371 said:
It’s not sooo much about costs, it’s more about feeling like Ducati is pushing the limits on ‘sucker’ spending and I don’t want to reward them for that
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Fair play, I get that.

I'm sure there will be an aftermarket kit for the smaller clutch at some point. I'm going to wait until then (and then dither about going to a later model from my 2020 😆)
 
cl955 said:
Fair play, I get that.

I'm sure there will be an aftermarket kit for the smaller clutch at some point. I'm going to wait until then (and then dither about going to a later model from my 2020 😆)
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you need to go 22+

😂😂😂
 

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