Test Performance Termignoni with new upmap?

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Hi Guys

I'd like to know the performance tests of Termi slip on and Termi complete with new upmap released in November.
I don't know if the new upmap is able to solve the old problems of low torque at midrage and if realy exists a great power difference between the two systems.

Thank's
 
Back to back dyno of 1199 with Termi slip ons before and after recent factory upmap update.

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Can't help with a dyno chart comparing the full system to the slip ons or the before and after most recent upmap with the full Termi.

You should probably read this thread,
\ http://ducati1199.com/ducati-1199/2576-my-way-upmap.html in full
 
ok so this graph shows how slips compare to slips before and after the upmap. do we know what the stock graph looks like and what about a full system graph. i ask because i am about to get a set of slips but if the full system is actually worth it i will get a full system.
 
I guess this shows a much smoother delivery of power below 5K, which would explain everyone's take on how much better it seems in this range.
 
Yes it does. I just had mine done yesterday (Tri w/ Termi slip on), and it seems much nicer, smoother, and stronger mid range than before. Very satisfied.
 
Yes... the full system may be good for guys who race their bikes...but for owners who do occassional trackdays and ride most of the time on the road...the slip-ons are just perfect...

I rode with a guy on our local track, and he had an 2012 1199 Tri, full termi system and BST wheels...he couldnt keep up with me on my "S" which was just equipped with a termi slip-on....

I guess, percentage wise, has to do a lot more with the rider. But to each his own really...if he wants his bike set up that way...Full Exhausts etc...then thats his idea of enjoying his new toy... But then again, I'm just so happy with my simple termi slip-on and new updated map!!!
 
Gunny Fitz said:
No full system worth the ridiculous amount of money they want for them. Slip ons work just fine for this 99.
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Though I have the full system, I agree with your statement in principle. However, "worth" is a perception of value an cannot be measured in monetary terms. No product is "worth" more than what someone will pay for it.

Personally, I like the looks of the full system and hope that the new "upmap" will provide the performance increase that I expected from the beginning. As well, for both the full system and slip ons, adding the additional support (finally a new up map, cooked heatshield replaced under warranty) included with the Termi system, personally increases the perception of "worth" in justifying the cost over offerings from other manufactures.

Sorry to diverge from the original topic..
 
Agreed

DRSapp said:
Though I have the full system, I agree with your statement in principle. However, "worth" is a perception of value an cannot be measured in monetary terms. No product is "worth" more than what someone will pay for it.

Personally, I like the looks of the full system and hope that the new "upmap" will provide the performance increase that I expected from the beginning. As well, for both the full system and slip ons, adding the additional support (finally a new up map, cooked heatshield replaced under warranty) included with the Termi system, personally increases the perception of "worth" in justifying the cost over offerings from other manufactures.

Sorry to diverge from the original topic..
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No reason for apology, that was VERY well put my friend!
 
mark419ny said:
ok so this graph shows how slips compare to slips before and after the upmap. do we know what the stock graph looks like and what about a full system graph. i ask because i am about to get a set of slips but if the full system is actually worth it i will get a full system.
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Off the same dyno, with the pre-November upmap with different bikes at different times the following results were obtained:

Stock - 172 hp
Termi Slip Ons - 181 hp, 96 ft. lbs
Full Termi - 185.33 hp, 93.22 ft lbs

The dyno charts were not posted with the other results. The bikes the Stock and Termi Slip On results were obtained from both had ~5000 mi. on them when tested, while the full Termi bike likely had significantly less mileage on it since it was done in May.
 
mark419ny said:
so ray it still proves that the slip ons are the best option.
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I wouldn't come to that conclusion. Too little data, and too many differences in testing. Lastly, without the dyno charts it is not possible to get any indication of the character differences between the power production (ie. what are the bottom end and midrange power delivery differences).

I think in general when it comes to these topics there is too much opinion and too little information. While we all may have our theories and projections on why and how we think things might compare, empirical data is required to come to real conclusions. I would like to see more dyno charts that show the impacts of specific individual changes before drawing a conclusion.
 
Trauma said:
I guess this shows a much smoother delivery of power below 5K, which would explain everyone's take on how much better it seems in this range.
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Actually, it doesn't. If you look closer at the chart, all it shows us is that the operator started the pre update run at a higher rpm than the post update run. The blue hp/tq traces for 1-dyno run.dpr (the pre update run) start vertically from zero at about 4100 rpm or so, while the red traces for 5-dyno run.dpr (the post update run), start at close to 3000 rpm. So you really can't tell anything at all about how it compares below around 4800 rpm on that chart, and from there the pre update run actually looks a bit stronger through the mid range. The two runs' stats at the top show run 1 made more torque at lower revs than run 5, which was supposedly the post-update run.

Bit puzzling considering my seat of the pants impression of the latest map update with stock cans, but as far as that one chart's concerned the "before" settings make fatter power than the "after". :confused:
 
Steve B said:
Actually, it doesn't. If you look closer at the chart, all it shows us is that the operator started the pre update run at a higher rpm than the post update run. The blue hp/tq traces for 1-dyno run.dpr (the pre update run) start vertically from zero at about 4100 rpm or so, while the red traces for 5-dyno run.dpr (the post update run), start at close to 3000 rpm. So you really can't tell anything at all about how it compares below around 4800 rpm on that chart, and from there the pre update run actually looks a bit stronger through the mid range. The two runs' stats at the top show run 1 made more torque at lower revs than run 5, which was supposedly the post-update run.

Bit puzzling considering my seat of the pants impression of the latest map update with stock cans, but as far as that one chart's concerned the "before" settings make fatter power than the "after". :confused:
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Wow. You're right. I just assumed the better curves were from the updated map, but that doesn't appear to be the case. The red curve was recorded about 21 minutes after the blue.
 
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ttkarp said:
Wow. You're right. I just assumed the better curves were from the updated map, but that doesn't appear to be the case. The red curve was recorded about 21 minutes after the blue.
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That has me puzzled also...:confused: From al the reviews you would think it would be the other way around.
 
This is a confusing graph. At first glance it looks like a massive improvement in low-down torque but because of the different start point as mentioned above the first glance comparison is actually torque vs power.

Someone needs to do better!
 

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