titanium rods and the lightend flywheel.. possibility to put them in your S or Base?

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TransNone13 said:
Well, it's not. The triple isn't numbered and it seems to have far less bits than previous R's or SP's. I wouldn't argue that it's not a good buy though.
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That's what I'm saying. Because the difference between this R vs prior platforms is so minimal could be that the bike is at the cutting edge of their R & D.

Maybe I'm not explaining it that well but the gap between each trim seems to be a lot narrower on the panigale vs their former platforms. That Narrow gap should say something how solid the panigale's base platform is.
 
Would love to read some proper reviews from different magazines - see what they have to say!
 
The performance gains of the R is strictly for racing/track. I wouldn't buy one for street riding. I personally think it will be horrible for street riding. Higher revs = less MPG (more frequent stops between gas stations), cops pulling you over for noise, higher engine temps and you would only see the advantage of the R .01% of the time on the street. But if it's a track bike it will make you have wet dreams! More mid power coming out of turns without squatting and the ability to maintain top end speed on the straights. Best power to weight ratio bike out there. Man I think it's the perfect bike for the track. I do however agree with MCN on the subject of the bike is hard to hold its line. I personally think its because the back end is too light due to the way Ducatii shifted more of the weight forward, if they extended the wheel base a tad longer it will solve that problem.
 
ScrapperX said:
The performance gains of the R is strictly for racing/track. I wouldn't buy one for street riding. I personally think it will be horrible for street riding. Higher revs = less MPG (more frequent stops between gas stations), cops pulling you over for noise, higher engine temps and you would only see the advantage of the R .01% of the time on the street. But if it's a track bike it will make you have wet dreams! More mid power coming out of turns without squatting and the ability to maintain top end speed on the straights. Best power to weight ratio bike out there. Man I think it's the perfect bike for the track. I do however agree with MCN on the subject of the bike is hard to hold its line. I personally think its because the back end is too light due to the way Ducatii shifted more of the weight forward, if they extended the wheel base a tad longer it will solve that problem.
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The only reason the R exists is to be homologized for the world superbike championsip.
The difference with the four cylinder bikes is that it's not allower to change or tune your crankshaft or your conrods.
So 1199R rods that has the bike you will go and buy from your dealer are the EXACT same that Carlos Checa has in his RS13 bike.
And just as a reminder, Carlos 1199 has about 210hp at the it's back wheel.


So... if you want to tune your engine on your "standard" 1199/s it's better to upgrade your standard rods. Standard rods are not bad, but not great for tune.
If you want to race today, and you want to do it with a Ducati, 1199R is the only (best) option.
 
my 2 cents, it can be done, but as stated will cost.

I'm just not a huge fan of doing engine mods unless you're already there for something else, ie taking the engine apart to bling it up a bit, seems to run the risk of problems down the road.

At the end of the day aside from the bling factor to tell everyone you've got lightened flywheel ti rods etc. is the marginal performance gain really worth it for a streetbike or even a track day bike?
 
zvez said:
my 2 cents, it can be done, but as stated will cost.

I'm just not a huge fan of doing engine mods unless you're already there for something else, ie taking the engine apart to bling it up a bit, seems to run the risk of problems down the road.

At the end of the day aside from the bling factor to tell everyone you've got lightened flywheel ti rods etc. is the marginal performance gain really worth it for a streetbike or even a track day bike?
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Duh! Was that a rhetorical question? Jeeze Zvez, just look at his forum! Someone/many will do it for just that reason.
 
ha! I know I know, guess it's the just the practical side of me, which really doesn't work on the pani eh? :)

but then again your mods like drilling a hole in the clutch cover to make a dry clutch or drilling holes in your flywheel..................;)


Trauma said:
Duh! Was that a rhetorical question? Jeeze Zvez, just look at his forum! Someone/many will do it for just that reason.
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zvez said:
ha! I know I know, guess it's the just the practical side of me, which really doesn't work on the pani eh? :)

but then again your mods like drilling a hole in the clutch cover to make a dry clutch or drilling holes in your flywheel..................;)
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All great mods! Trying to think of a simple way to do the rods - can't be too bad, its not like the engine is riveted together, its just bolts, and I gotta chest full of these metric Snapon things that seem to fit most :D
 
who needs snapons! I got vise grips and a cold chisel and hammer.:D


Trauma said:
All great mods! Trying to think of a simple way to do the rods - can't be too bad, its not like the engine is riveted together, its just bolts, and I gotta chest full of these metric Snapon things that seem to fit most :D
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what do you want from your bike?

a lighter flywheel costs 200 usd... why on earth you would drill some random holes and get your engine destablized is beyond me. le'ts not forget we're in new rev limit country...

the guys with whom i'm building mine have brought their base Pani from a bog standard

168 rwhp after 500 miles to 193 and now 201 RWHP (on the same dyno) after 2000 miles of tracking (running it hard) with

race filter
full Termi system
Rapidbike Race module
timing changed.

one had a jump of 10bhp by opening it up and reassembling.

not wanting to get into the ' true bhp' debate but the diff is significant.
and from where they started and also the jumps to get there..

getting miles on the bike seems to be crucial..

they both have had over 16 hours of mapping

for he who wants still more, it will take the lightning of the wheel and ti rods as they will allow more rev's...

as to the dip : a lot seems to be gained from better airflow so the RS tank - allowing for more air on the rear cylinder is expected to possibly be quit a gain..

the air now has to go in, straight up and to the side, hits the air coming from the other side, takes another all but smooth 60° flat turn then to enter the aibox with limited space over the rear gasket... jsut from looking at it, their must be a shorter, straighter route...

At the dip the engine seems to run pritty rich...

i fully agree that the base already is at 90% of what is possible an at 7500% of what an average rider ( = better than i am) can do... but hey... WTH...

ps : let's not forget that Checa's bike has restrictors (50 -ish vs 62 standard )
 

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has anyone asked the question about the balance after changing out the rods? would the crankshaft not have to be rebalanced at a machine shop? just food for thought.
 

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