titanium rods and the lightend flywheel.. possibility to put them in your S or Base?

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kope999R said:
of those things actually been done to flywheels i guess.. :)
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Way back machine - reminds me of a homemade mini bike I had with a Briggs and Straton engine, took a spill and a couple of the cooling fins got knocked off - the thing vibrated like a, a, well it vibrated quite a bit! :)
 
Quinten said:
anyone have thoughts if it's possible to change the flywheel and the rods with the new R parts?

costs... ??
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Ducati made both the Aluminum Flywheel (greater low ends revs due to less spinning mass) and the Titanium Rods available sometime after the release of the 1098R. Therefore, there is a possibility that Ducati may indeed release the R's defining upgrades, Aluminum Flywheel, Titanium Rods & Aluminum tank in the not too distant future.

However, I did research upgrading my 1098 with Aluminum flywheel and Titanium Rods and Ducati steered me away from such upgrades with a cautionary warning related to the Titanium Rods ( and possibly the aluminum flywheel) effecting the starter motor ?

So, just for structural integrity if you seek these specific upgrades (excluding the Aluminum tank) than get the R.
 
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I'd be happy if they'd just release a manual! ;)

CaliDuc said:
Ducati made both the Aluminum Flywheel (greater low ends revs due to less spinning mass) and the Titanium Rods available sometime after the release of the 1098R. Therefore, there is a possibility that Ducati may indeed release the R's defining upgrades, Aluminum Flywheel, Titanium Rods & Aluminum tank in the not too distant future.

However, I did research upgrading my 1098 with Aluminum flywheel and Titanium Rods and Ducati steered me away from such upgrades with a cautionary warning related to the Titanium Rods ( and possibly the aluminum flywheel) effecting the starter motor ?

So, just for structural integrity if you seek the upgrades specific to the (excluding the Aluminum tank) that get the R.
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Trauma said:
I already lightened my flywheel - I drilled a bunch of random holes in it. The engine vibrates a bunch, but I think it revs faster.
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did you open up the engine case or just drill through it:)
 
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Just looking at Austin Racing's maps and it seem's cheaper to just add the exhaust, a piggy back system, and keep my Pani S and have similar power. If someone wants to argue the weight savings (not internal engine components of course), the Austin Racing exhaust alone is more than 10lbs lighter than the Termi's...

Am I off in my thinking here?
 
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Mitchlguzin said:
Just looking at Austin Racing's maps and it seem's cheaper to just add the exhaust, a piggy back system, and keep my Pani S and have similar power. If someone wants to argue the weight savings (not internal engine components of course), the Austin Racing exhaust alone is more than 10lbs lighter than the Termi's...

Am I off in my thinking here?
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moving weight is not the same as dead weight. say both bikes are equal power and weight. the lighter flywheel will should let it rev quicker so it would end up pulling a head. i think i could be wrong but 1 lbs of rotating mass is equal to about 4 lbs standing weight. all weight reduction is good but say lighter wheels is better it helps braking more better corning and acceleration.
 
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I had a lightened flywheel on my 95 900sp, man did that thing rev quick!!

You could hit the rev limiter instantaneously it seemed.!
 
Mitchlguzin said:
Just looking at Austin Racing's maps and it seem's cheaper to just add the exhaust, a piggy back system, and keep my Pani S and have similar power. If someone wants to argue the weight savings (not internal engine components of course), the Austin Racing exhaust alone is more than 10lbs lighter than the Termi's...

Am I off in my thinking here?
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In addition to what Basic said, rotating mass (gyroscope) is a HELL of a lot harder to move from side to side than static mass. If you've ever taken a bicycle wheel and spun it while holding the axle in your hand you'll know what I'm talking about.
 
an ounce is an ounce

is an ounce is an ounce...

just took her out of the van... what a huge diff with the 999 ...
 
AntiHero said:
In addition to what Basic said, rotating mass (gyroscope) is a HELL of a lot harder to move from side to side than static mass. If you've ever taken a bicycle wheel and spun it while holding the axle in your hand you'll know what I'm talking about.
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Bingo; gyroscopic inertia. That's a great example, and one everyone should try; grab a loose bike wheel by the axles and tilt it side to side like you're slaloming through some esses while it's not spinning; not much resistance. Then give it a hard spin and try tilting it back and forth. Feel the difference; it will not want to move, and in fact with enough of a spin, it will stay in place vertically while spinning, with only a finger under one axle end and nothing to support it under the other end (just watch for the precession so it doesn't whack you in the head!)

The wheel weighs exactly the same as it did not spinning, but that sucker is anchored in terms of lateral rotation when it is. With that much change from a small, hand induced spin, try to imagine how it would feel spinning at thousands of rpm.
 
that's why, if a bike left alone will try to run in a straight line.

Steve B said:
Bingo; gyroscopic inertia. That's a great example, and one everyone should try; grab a loose bike wheel by the axles and tilt it side to side like you're slaloming through some esses while it's not spinning; not much resistance. Then give it a hard spin and try tilting it back and forth. Feel the difference; it will not want to move, and in fact with enough of a spin, it will stay in place vertically while spinning, with only a finger under one axle end and nothing to support it under the other end (just watch for the precession so it doesn't whack you in the head!)

The wheel weighs exactly the same as it did not spinning, but that sucker is anchored in terms of lateral rotation when it is. With that much change from a small, hand induced spin, try to imagine how it would feel spinning at thousands of rpm.
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Trauma said:
For just a short while lol, it will fall over pretty quickly.
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Depends; actually there's been some pretty interesting stuff done in the physics world regarding the understanding of how two wheelers derive stability, and some Uni folks figured out how to build a bike with zero trail and no gyroscopic inertia/angular momentum that will still be stable and self steer. No, it's not a computer-controlled, tandem-wheel Segway thing, it turns out where the center of mass is is the crux, and for real-world bikes how that interacts with the geometry and wheel gyro effects determines the end result of stability or instability, and how the bike acts when leaned over.

Who knows; just maybe some of the folks @ Ducati MotoGP HQ could do with some remedial reading. Or have done, considering all the tinkering they've been doing of late with weight distribution... ;)
 

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