V2 power wheelie?

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Question... I've seen multiple videos of guys on V2 having the front wheel lift when twisting the throttle hard. I have tried it in race mode with DWC in level 2 and 1. It doesn't seem to lift the front wheel. Do I have to turn wheelie control completely off? If so, would't that be too risky lesrning to power wheelie without having it ln? Lol I'm no wheelie expert... I would love to get the front wheel lift like 5 inches or so when I accelerate quickly. I don't wanna do 12 o' clock wheelies.. Also, how does the DWC actually work? Do the levels 1-4 control how much wheel lift it allows before stopping it? If somebody could help me out it would be awesome.
 
Ok, I’ll help you out. Forget about the wheelie. They put 2 wheels on these things for a reason. You can have a most invigorating time with both wheels planted and the Mounties won’t have to spend tax dollars to scrape you off the highway when it all goes wrong.
 
Never understood the whole wheelie-thing. Maybe because I am an old guy, but seems utterly immature to me. Kind of the pre-phase to stunt riding on public road which in general just gives bikers a bad reputation.
 
Never understood the whole wheelie-thing. Maybe because I am an old guy, but seems utterly immature to me. Kind of the pre-phase to stunt riding on public road which in general just gives bikers a bad reputation.
Well as I said... I'm just curious if it's possible to get a couple inches off the ground with the V2. I said nothing about about going over 200km/h, doing a 12 o' clock wheelie. I'm not interested in that and I feel the same way about people doing stupid .... on public roads. However, I do feel that lifting the wheel just a weeee bit, leaving from a stop sign on a 100km/h country road with no one near seems pretty normal to me...
 
Jesus…

Big difference between having it carrying the wheel when dead in it and balance point wheelie that demands throttle control and a learning curve

Prolly shoulda bought a used 14R instead : )
 
Wow, some unhelpful people here.

I love wheelies. I Wheelie all six motorcycles that I own, but I do not do it in a way that irritates or puts the public in danger. However, the acceptance of wheelies is different in various parts of the United States and is certainly different in other countries. Your area may not tolerate wheelies. People smile and laugh at wheelies on Groms around here (even cops ignore you), for example. There is nothing immature about doing wheelies; however, one can be immature with their approach.

The V2 is a big letdown for me when it comes to wheelies. It is designed to not do wheelies so it can make your lap times better and help keep riders safe. I am okay with that as long as I can turn it off when desired. What I have found with my 2021 V2 is that I must be in Race mode with DWC on level 2 or 1 (one is much better). I can't use the clutch or the bike will just shut (bog) down and prevent a wheelie. I have to use 100% throttle and wait for the RPMs to reach above 7 or 8 K. Then the wheel will lift. If you keep the throttle pinned, the bike will simply lift up about 2 feet and then set back down when running out of RPMs, which is about 2 seconds later. Sigh. Anything less than full throttle and any mode other than Race does not produce even a small wheelie for me. And the wheelie will not happen until you get above 7 or 8 K RPMs. Oh, and using the throttle bump technique (roll on the throttle, roll off 100% to compress forks, slam the throttle to 100% and maybe tug the bars) does not work. The V2 just shuts down and keeps the wheel on the ground.

Even if you turn off wheelie control, the V2 will not allow a clutch or bump wheelie. If you turn off DWC and use the roll-on technique (full throttle until high RPMs) and tug the bars HARD (no bumping the throttle off and on), then the wheel will lift, and if you are lucky you can get it past the point where it falls back down. Only then can you do a normal wheelie and you must control it 100% on your own (no electronics).

I am not sure how others are able to do this with ease or use the clutch as I cannot get this thing to do it. I plan on playing with it more after I get it put back together (waiting on performance parts). If you Google V2 and wheelie you will find almost no info for a good reason. These modern Panigale bikes do not wheelie without considerable effort (unless you think a 1 or 2-second wheel lift is a wheelie). I am quite disappointed in my V2 (for wheelies) since I thought it would be a wheelie monster. I guess I should have read more about it before making those assumptions and telling my wife this would be my wheelie bike. Oh, all of that info I gave was pertaining to first gear. Second gear and above do not wheelie with just throttle unless the road helps you (dips or hills).

Two of the only videos I know that show V2 wheelies. Vid two shows clutch wheelies, but I don't know how he does it (comments in the vid ask the same questions). Maybe he pulled fuses or maybe he had older software. The baby wheelie at 1:51 in the second video is typical of what I experience with race mode, DWC on 1, and getting the throttle above 7 K. I do a few dozen of these on every ride.





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Here is an example of me testing 1st gear roll-on wheelies on my V2. This is what you get with full throttle in 1st gear in Race mode with DWC on 1 or 2 (can't remember what this was set to - probably level 2) when you hit about 8K RPM. Nobody died or had to scrape me off the road and I don't see any upset people around me. I think most people would consider this safe, acceptable, and fun (or maybe even boring).

Normally, you cover the rear brake to bring a wheelie down (rolling off the throttle is not the safe way), but with the V2 you don't need to worry about the rear brake with DWC on.

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Wow, some unhelpful people here.

I love wheelies. I Wheelie all six motorcycles that I own, but I do not do it in a way that irritates or puts the public in danger. However, the acceptance of wheelies is different in various parts of the United States and is certainly different in other countries. Your area may not tolerate wheelies. People smile and laugh at wheelies on Groms around here (even cops ignore you), for example. There is nothing immature about doing wheelies; however, one can be immature with their approach.

The V2 is a big letdown for me when it comes to wheelies. It is designed to not do wheelies so it can make your lap times better and help keep riders safe. I am okay with that as long as I can turn it off when desired. What I have found with my 2021 V2 is that I must be in Race mode with DWC on level 2 or 1 (one is much better). I can't use the clutch or the bike will just shut (bog) down and prevent a wheelie. I have to use 100% throttle and wait for the RPMs to reach above 7 or 8 K. Then the wheel will lift. If you keep the throttle pinned, the bike will simply lift up about 2 feet and then set back down when running out of RPMs, which is about 2 seconds later. Sigh. Anything less than full throttle and any mode other than Race does not produce even a small wheelie for me. And the wheelie will not happen until you get above 7 or 8 K RPMs. Oh, and using the throttle bump technique (roll on the throttle, roll off 100% to compress forks, slam the throttle to 100% and maybe tug the bars) does not work. The V2 just shuts down and keeps the wheel on the ground.

Even if you turn off wheelie control, the V2 will not allow a clutch or bump wheelie. If you turn off DWC and use the roll-on technique (full throttle until high RPMs) and tug the bars HARD (no bumping the throttle off and on), then the wheel will lift, and if you are lucky you can get it past the point where it falls back down. Only then can you do a normal wheelie and you must control it 100% on your own (no electronics).

I am not sure how others are able to do this with ease or use the clutch as I cannot get this thing to do it. I plan on playing with it more after I get it put back together (waiting on performance parts). If you Google V2 and wheelie you will find almost no info for a good reason. These modern Panigale bikes do not wheelie without considerable effort (unless you think a 1 or 2-second wheel lift is a wheelie). I am quite disappointed in my V2 (for wheelies) since I thought it would be a wheelie monster. I guess I should have read more about it before making those assumptions and telling my wife this would be my wheelie bike. Oh, all of that info I gave was pertaining to first gear. Second gear and above do not wheelie with just throttle unless the road helps you (dips or hills).

Two of the only videos I know that show V2 wheelies. Vid two shows clutch wheelies, but I don't know how he does it (comments in the vid ask the same questions). Maybe he pulled fuses or maybe he had older software. The baby wheelie at 1:51 in the second video is typical of what I experience with race mode, DWC on 1, and getting the throttle above 7 K. I do a few dozen of these on every ride.





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Damn. Thanks man. This is great info and exactly what I was looking for. I was honestly dissapointed on the previous answers I got. I'm not a hooligan ....... on a motorcycle. Just curious on how to get the front wheel lift a bit. Anyways. Thanks a lot! I saw the youtube video from knox and it was great. I will chexk out the other two vids you sent me! Very helpful. Thanks again!
 
Damn. Thanks man. This is great info and exactly what I was looking for. I was honestly dissapointed on the previous answers I got. I'm not a hooligan ....... on a motorcycle. Just curious on how to get the front wheel lift a bit. Anyways. Thanks a lot! I saw the youtube video from knox and it was great. I will chexk out the other two vids you sent me! Very helpful. Thanks again!

No worries. I would put the bike in race mode, set DWC on level 4, and set DTC on level 3 (or 2). Then start in first gear and after the clutch is out and you are rolling nicely at about 30 mph, lean forward and pin the throttle. When you reach 7 or 8K RPMs, the front will lift slightly and then set back down just before you hit the rev limiter. Since you will be trying to feel the lift, you will hit the limiter (and it comes quickly), which is okay. If the wheel doesn't lift, then lower the DWC number and try again. When you get to DWC level 1, the wheel may lift up to two feet in the air and may stay there for several seconds. You will likely cut the throttle the first few times since you won't trust that it isn't going to loop. If you are used to wheelies then you will trust it and keep the throttle pinned while covering the rear brake (even though you don't need it). Otherwise, you will have to do this slowly and start trusting the bike will not lift more than the setting.

Good luck, have fun, wear all the appropriate safety gear, and obey all traffic laws. ;)

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No worries. I would put the bike in race mode, set DWC on level 4, and set DTC on level 3 (or 2). Then start in first gear and after the clutch is out and you are rolling nicely at about 30 mph, lean forward and pin the throttle. When you reach 7 or 8K RPMs, the front will lift slightly and then set back down just before you hit the rev limiter. Since you will be trying to feel the lift, you will hit the limiter (and it comes quickly), which is okay. If the wheel doesn't lift, then lower the DWC number and try again. When you get to DWC level 1, the wheel may lift up to two feet in the air and may stay there for several seconds. You will likely cut the throttle the first few times since you won't trust that it isn't going to loop. If you are used to wheelies then you will trust it and keep the throttle pinned while covering the rear brake (even though you don't need it). Otherwise, you will have to do this slowly and start trusting the bike will not lift more than the setting.

Good luck, have fun, wear all the appropriate safety gear, and obey all traffic laws. ;)

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Thanks again! I will try it soon. Don't worry I'm a safe rider. I ride with all my my gear 80% of the time. The other 20% is all my gear exept lesther pants for when I'm not goimg on a long ride :p
 
Update from my own experience, while riding with DWC 3 on step uphill and fully opening throttle, it wheelied easily and surprised me since on flat surface it does not wheelie much.
Seems like DWC does not work well on step uphills. Just find one and try there :)
 
You ride your pani up n down steps?

That’s what enduro’s are for…

They wheelie good too : )
 
Update from my own experience, while riding with DWC 3 on step uphill and fully opening throttle, it wheelied easily and surprised me since on flat surface it does not wheelie much.
Seems like DWC does not work well on step uphills. Just find one and try there :)

The steep uphill causes you to put less weight on the front. It is similar to sliding back in the seat and sitting more upright, which helps the front come up. Steep hills also make it easier to loop the bike, so not recommended. ;)
 
My suggestion is to get a light dirt bike and learn to wheelie properly or go to a wheelie school. Power wheelies should be just that, you apply power and the wheel comes up, if the bike does not have enough grunt and you have to bounce the forks, jerk open the throttle or find a hill then you could easily be entering a world of pain. Dont trust the DWC.
 
Panigale electronics do many things designed for faster laps. It is very fast at detecting wheel slip and interfering with wheelies even if the light doesn't ilndicate electronic mitigation it does.

Wheelie control is not meant for stunt wheelies. It is meant to achieve the fastest corner exit instead. The greatest acceleration occurs with front wheel slightly off the ground.

So, you really need to reduce or shut off wheelie and traction control.

And, place your body weight on the seat and not on the foot pegs(opposite of what a fast rider does).

My bike was fighting my wheelie attempts when using tires meant for mileage and when the airbox was letting oil out the crankcase ventilation system. I could ride just fine but electronics was sensing wheel spin.

200 hp bike had me scratching my head wondering why no wheelie. After sorting out those things it'll do a power wheelie at 70 mph.

Take your time. Be safe. Have fun
 
More thrills that a wheelie but you should be able to lift the front wheel in 2nd, 3rd and 4th at high RPM with DWC at 1. I never keep it wide open at high rpm leaned over unless in 5th of 6th. 2nd, 3rd and 4th the front end will keep coming up a few inches when accelerating in a straight line. Picture is in 5th Gear, 162MPH (~260kph).
 

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Never understood the whole wheelie-thing. Maybe because I am an old guy, but seems utterly immature to me. Kind of the pre-phase to stunt riding on public road which in general just gives bikers a bad reputation.
Doing wheelies is not for showing off or for being an ... in the traffic and should of course never be done in a situation that could put others at risk. It could be dangerous, yes, but so is aggressive canyon riding as well.
BUT
Riding at balance point simply gives you a wonderful floating, almost weightless feeling. Once you've learned, you can't stop doing it. It's to fun not to. It's simply one more awesome way of riding a bike among many others.
 
More thrills that a wheelie but you should be able to lift the front wheel in 2nd, 3rd and 4th at high RPM with DWC at 1. I never keep it wide open at high rpm leaned over unless in 5th of 6th. 2nd, 3rd and 4th the front end will keep coming up a few inches when accelerating in a straight line. Picture is in 5th Gear, 162MPH (~260kph).

Um, I don't think that is a V2. I don't think the V2 will lift the front under power in 3rd or 4th, and 2nd is questionable.
 
Panigale electronics do many things designed for faster laps. It is very fast at detecting wheel slip and interfering with wheelies even if the light doesn't ilndicate electronic mitigation it does.

Wheelie control is not meant for stunt wheelies. It is meant to achieve the fastest corner exit instead. The greatest acceleration occurs with front wheel slightly off the ground.

So, you really need to reduce or shut off wheelie and traction control.

And, place your body weight on the seat and not on the foot pegs(opposite of what a fast rider does).

My bike was fighting my wheelie attempts when using tires meant for mileage and when the airbox was letting oil out the crankcase ventilation system. I could ride just fine but electronics was sensing wheel spin.

200 hp bike had me scratching my head wondering why no wheelie. After sorting out those things it'll do a power wheelie at 70 mph.

Take your time. Be safe. Have fun

LOL, I also scratched my head when I could wheelie my little Honda F4 from the '90s all day long, but couldn't get a 150+ HP V2 to clutch up. After I get my V2 put back together (waiting on exhaust and filter), I'll turn off ALL electronic aids and see if it allows a clutch wheelie. I thought I tried that and got a bogged down response and smashed n#ts.

For everyone's entertainment from my past....

1999 Honda F4 600cc:
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105 mph, 2nd gear, 2-up (future wife)
Note the head turn which requires you to determine loop warnings with inner ear signals for left-right instead of forward-back:
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Honda Grom, 125cc:
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DUCATI PANIGALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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