V2 Suspension Improvements

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As the thread title describes I would like to discuss the potential improvements to the V2 Panigale.

Background: My GF/ Fiance' bought the 2020 V2 so we could ride together. I have the 2020 V4S with upgraded Ohlins springs and EBC HH pads and few personal updates. However, the biggest street going improvement seemed to be moving from Pirelli SC2's/ 3's to the Michelin Power GP's.

After putting on radiator guards this weekend (yea 2x now with my bike and hers) I added EBC HH pads to her bike and took it to bed in the pads. After riding this thing out of the neighbor hood I had forgotten how "truck like" the handling is on the V2 compared to the V4.

The handling reminds me of my 848 Base model before I bought the Dan Kyle Triples. It's stable and the Rosso Corsa tires gets the job done, but what a beast to get to turn (comparatively speaking) and besides the cobby looking Sachs steering dampener, and heavy ... cast wheels, what else could be attributed to the feedback and laziness of the steering?

So my questions for the readers would the 2.5K for forged Marchesini wheels be the best solution? or would a set of triples for the 959 etc even fit? Home :: Parts :: Ducati :: 899 / 959 / 1199 / 1299 / V2 :: Suspension :: Triple Clamps :: FM Ducati 899 959 1199 1299 Panigale Billet Adjustable Triple Clamp Set

I checked pressures, and other potential variables, but again bike just is a heavy turning bike I guess without the wheels?
 
Wheels are actually light on the V2. They’re about 20 lb for the set. A set of forged wheels are just 2 lbs lighter. Having an extra set of wheels dedicated for slicks would be great if you’re doing lots of trackdays. On a side note, are you really running SC2’s on the street? That’s a bold move if you are. Maybe you mean SPv2/3?

The V2 (and 959) handling is very dependent on sag. Mine felt like that before I got my suspension dialed in by Kyle Racing w the correct springs (and carts/shock).

I’ve been thinking about whether a revised top triple might help but probably marginal gain.
 
I too am interested in what others think can improve the flickability of the V2. I feel like the steering damper is rock hard for parking lot moves and is in need of high and low-speed adjustments (I'll swap to an adjustable one this winter).
 
I dont know abut michelins but SC2/3 tries are not for the road... that is dangerous. If Mich GPs are similar then you might be in a sketchy situation. Title says suspension improvements but you are not talking suspension in the thread - online is better money spent then wheels tbh
 
KarlKani said:
I dont know abut michelins but SC2/3 tries are not for the road... that is dangerous. If Mich GPs are similar then you might be in a sketchy situation. Title says suspension improvements but you are not talking suspension in the thread - online is better money spent then wheels tbh
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Karl, when you had your 959 how was your feeling on track? Before doing Nix30 carts and TTX shock it felt horrible. Like super slow handling. But even after getting sag set to Ohlins spec, I still don’t have full confidence in the front. It feels a little vague and I can’t get it to full lean. Running RC2s and moving to SC might be an improvement? I’m also not using full travel so maybe dialing a little compression out will help?
 
My 959 felt incredible suspension wise - I never didnt have Ohlins on it tho. Also I ran the front higher then most. I dont ride on the street but I only run Pirelli - SC2 front SC1 rear
 
Campesi swapped out his wheels and the change from the stock to aftermarket:

Stock Rear wheel: 11lbs. Rear Forged Magnesium: 7 Lbs.

Stock Front wheel: 9 lbs. Front Forged Magnesium: 6.5 lbs.

Total of 6.5 of weight savings between wheelsets.
 
I've been watching a ton of Dave Moss' vids to understand the differences in the tire profiles and carcass weights. Having run Michelins on my 848 I did like them. I like them even better on the V4S for road going. Track work, I'd probably go Dunlop Q4 or the Pirelli Supercorsa 2's or V3's.

Still trying to understand the V2's characteristics.
 
JHTmcrider said:
Campesi swapped out his wheels and the change from the stock to aftermarket:

Stock Rear wheel: 11lbs. Rear Forged Magnesium: 7 Lbs.

Stock Front wheel: 9 lbs. Front Forged Magnesium: 6.5 lbs.

Total of 6.5 of weight savings between wheelsets.
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You can find forged mags for $2500?
 
JHTmcrider said:
As the thread title describes I would like to discuss the potential improvements to the V2 Panigale.

So with suspension stuff if your looking to improve it you definitely want to start off with a set of FGRT forks and a rear TTX (latest being 466). You can go even farther with top shelf race components such as front race mounts, ride height plates and rod adjustors but not needed. Get the springs set to your weight, set the sag then go fine tune the comp/rebound call it a done day.

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So my questions for the readers would the 2.5K for forged Marchesini wheels be the best solution? or would a set of triples for the 959 etc even fit? Home :: Parts :: Ducati :: 899 / 959 / 1199 / 1299 / V2 :: Suspension :: Triple Clamps :: FM Ducati 899 959 1199 1299 Panigale Billet Adjustable Triple Clamp Set

Forged aluminum or mags won't do much for your suspension stuff.
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Supercorsas come in SP + SC
SP are all DOT
SC are all peace tires with different compounds + some DOT - not a good idea on the street
perhaps you should visit the Pirellis website
 
I think lighter wheels would certainly help with getting the bike to turn quicker. Not sure I am gonna spend more money on my GF bike than mine. lol
 
JHTmcrider said:
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Those are forged aluminum. Not magnesium. Forged mags are around $4-5k. Forged mags are lighter than forged aluminum. Forged aluminum wheels are about 18 lbs. If you think the stock V2 wheels are heavy, the stock 959 were anchors at 32.5 lbs for the set.

Also lighter wheels do affect suspension as it’s less unsprung weight and therefore moves faster and easier. It’ll affect compression and rebound. 1 lb/wheel maybe not but 3-5 would be significant.
 
I understand the difference in what Campesi mounted and what a set of Forged Aluminum wheels would weigh. From the monster forums:

Marchesini cast aluminum 5spoke rims. these are stock equipment on '01-02 monster s4, st4S, m1000.
Front - 9 lbs 1.5 oz
Rear - 15 lbs 5.0 oz
Sprocket hub - 2 lbs 13.4 oz

comparison to:
Marvic Piuma cast magnesium rims:
Front - 6 lbs 14.0 oz
Rear - 9 lbs 12.0 oz
Sprocket hub - 1 lb 14.5 oz
 
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Hey Psaki so if I bring you a couple baseline setups you think you can get the rebound/comp all fine tuned? What about the geometry can you see if thats correct too?

rac1ngsnak3 said:
Those are forged aluminum. Not magnesium. Forged mags are around $4-5k. Forged mags are lighter than forged aluminum. Forged aluminum wheels are about 18 lbs. If you think the stock V2 wheels are heavy, the stock 959 were anchors at 32.5 lbs for the set.

Also lighter wheels do affect suspension as it’s less unsprung weight and therefore moves faster and easier. It’ll affect compression and rebound. 1 lb/wheel maybe not but 3-5 would be significant.
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