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The BIf piston fork the std uses is a known. My gen 4 zx10 and blade ran those forks .
It’s a pity Ducati didn’t use the new zx10 fork. It is sublime. Many say the best out there ?

On the plus side , there is so much race info on the BPF fork that it can be tuned as needed without experimenting.

The rear shock I know nothing about.

I am still in 2 minds which one to get. S or std. like Sergiomala, I also prefer non electronic forks. Or maybe I am getting old ......
 
The BIf piston fork the std uses is a known. My gen 4 zx10 and blade ran those forks .
It’s a pity Ducati didn’t use the new zx10 fork. It is sublime. Many say the best out there ?

On the plus side , there is so much race info on the BPF fork that it can be tuned as needed without experimenting.

The rear shock I know nothing about.

I am still in 2 minds which one to get. S or std. like Sergiomala, I also prefer non electronic forks. Or maybe I am getting old ......
Interesting... I am not that technically savvy from a suspension setup perspective and I have enjoyed the electronic setup on the BMW's and Triumphs. but they didn't cost a ton more to get.

The only thing holding me back from getting the V4S is the price tag. I have never owned a bike that cost that much.

I am getting old and not having to fiddle with the suspension for sporty back road riding versus boring highway to get to said sporty roads is a reason I would consider the S. On the other hand if the fully adjustable manual suspension could be easily manipulated I would be willing to learn how to do that :)

So Sergio could you soften the back shock and take that same nice ride up the mountain (Montagna) and let me know how it felt :)
 
The BIf piston fork the std uses is a known. My gen 4 zx10 and blade ran those forks .
It’s a pity Ducati didn’t use the new zx10 fork. It is sublime. Many say the best out there ?

On the plus side , there is so much race info on the BPF fork that it can be tuned as needed without experimenting.

The rear shock I know nothing about.

I am still in 2 minds which one to get. S or std. like Sergiomala, I also prefer non electronic forks. Or maybe I am getting old ......

I went for the S.. not so much for the dynamic adjustments based on riding condition (Although, I hear the new system is VERY good), but honestly, it's just so much nicer to be able to pop into the menu on the tft display and make suspension adjustments vs. getting some tools out to do the same thing.

The suspension can still be set to static vs. dynamic, which is basically the same as a non-electronic fork, however you still get the benefit of quick easy tool-less adjustments anytime/anywhere on the static setup. It might be a little on the pricey side for that convenience, but I've really enjoyed it so far on the 1299s.

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I went for the S.. not so much for the dynamic adjustments based on riding condition (Although, I hear the new system is VERY good), but honestly, it's just so much nicer to be able to pop into the menu on the tft display and make suspension adjustments vs. getting some tools out to do the same thing.

The suspension can still be set to static vs. dynamic, which is basically the same as a non-electronic fork, however you still get the benefit of quick easy tool-less adjustments anytime/anywhere on the static setup. It might be a little on the pricey side for that convenience, but I've really enjoyed it so far on the 1299s.
If you add up all the extra bits the S has it is well priced, I guess what it boils down to is that the Base is a bit pricey so obviously that makes the S all that more pricey :) I am still on the fence and what might put me over it is that I will give up having a second bike if I get the S since it looks like it can be such a civil bike with the electronic susp.
 
Finally a demo ride of the V4 Base and from someone who has owned a few Ducs and riden lots of SuperBikes for a comparison.

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I think the first North American shipment should arrive at the same time, at least to the port. Then dispatched to each individual dealers according to their allocations. I was told mid-end of February.

Did you get yours yet? I see you're also in Vancity. I was told mid to late march for my base order from BMW Ducati on Grandview. Have you taken one of the demo S models in town out to compare to your base if so? Trying to decide if the S is worth the extra $$ and wait for the occasional track day + mostly just bombing around town / back roads / Duffey loop etc.

Cheers,
Darwin
 
Did you get yours yet? I see you're also in Vancity. I was told mid to late march for my base order from BMW Ducati on Grandview. Have you taken one of the demo S models in town out to compare to your base if so? Trying to decide if the S is worth the extra $$ and wait for the occasional track day + mostly just bombing around town / back roads / Duffey loop etc.

Cheers,
Darwin
Hi Darwin,

Yes i took delivery of the S yesterday from ducati richmond. First customer delivery in the country we think. I've posted a thread about it in this forum. Will be riding S2S all this weekend to try to break her in.

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Hey everyone,

I took delivery of a V4 base this Saturday and want to share my impressions so far.

TL: DR - bike is awesome; feels special; needs tank pads and fender eliminator; low center of gravity and counter rotating crank make a huge difference; POWER; don't have "S-envy."

A bit of background about me for context: I'm a former road bike (pedal) racer who got into motorcycling three years ago. I had a GSXR-600 for two years until it was stolen last year and did a couple of track days with California Superbike School on the S1000RR back in the fall.

This is my first Ducati, and I placed a deposit shortly after the bike was announced back in November. I chose a base as opposed to an S mainly because I doubted I personally would be able to fully appreciate the differences of the S model over the base. Anyways, on to the bike:

First Impressions
I've read much about people who don't like the design of the new V4 or think it's ugly. I can tell you that "ugly" was not the word that came to mind when I walked up to the bike for the first time in the showroom on Saturday morning. I would expect that most people lurking around the V4 forum have seen one in person by now, but for those who haven't, the bike has presence. It draws in your eye over and around the lines, folds and crevices of the fairing. The paint color (red, like everyone else's) entices and excites in the same way as its other Italian predecessors having the same color. Aesthetics and emotion were a big part of the reason I chose to come to Ducati for my next bike, and I certainly was not disappointed. (I will, however, be ordering a fender eliminator as soon as I find one I like. I can't stand the current fender).

Throwing your leg over, the bike feels noticeably light between your legs. Sitting there shifting it from side to side, I was reminded of the photos of the naked bike in the various reviews and how much effort Ducati put in to making the center of gravity of the bike as low as possible. You can feel it immediately.

Turning the key and pressing the starter gets the engine turning unevenly until it erupts with a satisfying growl and the bike vibrates alive. This hit me much harder than expected. First of all, the stock exhaust is much louder and more authoritative than I anticipated at idle. Before I took delivery, I had a mind for adding a slip on of some kind down the road. Now I'm not so sure. Second, as many have said before, the bike sounds very much like a twin down low and, as is to be expected, feels and sounds very different than either of the GSXR or the S1000RR that I have ridden before. Unfortunately I haven't had the opportunity to ride a Vtwin Panigale so I don't have a basis for comparison, but I think it suffices to say that, for me, authentic Ducati character shines through in V4 form.

Street Riding
Around town, the bike is easy to ride. Tooling around in first-third gear is easy enough and it does not feel snatchy. The quickshifter works very well, even when not under load. I would say it's an evolution beyond the one in the S1000RR. I found the base suspension to be plenty compliant for the ordinary bumps and surface irregularities that you find in city riding. I rode around in "Street" mode and didn't mess with the settings.

In terms of ergos, I've found that the bike 100% needs tank pads, and I wouldn't leave the dealership without them if I could do it again. I'm 6'3" and need to ride as far back as possible on the seat in order to be comfortable (not to mention that this is where you need to be for more dynamic riding). I found that the seat is angled forward slightly and, without some adhesion on the tank, it is all too easy to slide forward. This resulted in a constant struggle to push myself back when riding around at city speeds, and I had sore thighs and wrists as a result of trying to hang on with my legs and push back with my arms. This is less of an issue at highway speeds or under acceleration, when wind resistance and g-load help to keep you where you need to be, however heavy braking is a challenge. I'm currently looking at a set of R&G grips to remedy this ASAP.

How hot is it? I was wearing leathers on my first two rides and found that the heat is noticeable only when stopped. Mostly you feel the heat from the rightside header, but you can feel it generally around the seat area if sitting still for a long time. At speed, I didn't notice any heat.

Canyon/Mountain Riding

On the second day I took it to my favorite local mountain road to have a bit of fun. I had ridden 60 miles the day before so I gradually picked up the pace later in the ride as I felt more comfortable that the tires had a chance to be worn in. This road features a lot of tight curves and switchbacks with speeds comfortably around 30-50 mph without pushing too hard.

Man did this bike come alive. Everything just seemed to start falling into place. In this environment the low center of gravity and counter rotating crank really get your attention. Each corner and transition makes you ask yourself "how is this bike THAT quick from side to side?!" Once rotated, the bike feels planted and confidence inspiring. The brakes were also plenty in this environment. I was trying to keep the speeds at least within sight of legal so there were only a few situations where heavy braking was required, but I felt that modulation and braking power are as you would expect with the quality of brakes fitted to the V4. I thought the stock footpegs were pretty great and provided plenty of confidence that my feet were secure. The ergo comments mentioned above also apply here, although as mentioned the g's alleviated this on the acceleration side.

Throughout this ride, I did not feel the intervention of any systems, nor did I see the orange light on the dash informing me that they were at work. I wasn't riding so aggressively that I would expect them to intervene (and of course, I try to stay well below the threshold of my abilities on public roads), but it was certainly nice peace of mind to know that they were there, and it was also nice to know that the bike can be ridden spiritedly without need for intervention of the systems.

I won't comment much on the power since plenty has been said elsewhere, but I can assure you there is PLENTY. Everywhere. All the time. I'm still under break in for another 500 miles but the power is readily apparent. I will note that I found that it was easy add power smoothly when coming out of tight, low speed corners, which is always a concern when on a bike with this much power available.

Do I have "S-Envy?"

Do I regret not getting an S instead of the base? In a word, no. Not having ridden an S, this may be a case of "you don't know what you're missing," but I really don't think that, with my riding experience and intended use (canyon carving, a few trackdays a year), I would benefit substantially from the suspension and forged wheels featured on the S model. Sure, I love bling as much as the next guy/gal and if money were truly no object for me, I would happily have an S in my garage. However, at no point while walking towards it in my garage or seeing or feeling it under me did I think to myself "you know, you really should have sprung for the S."

If you made it this far, thanks for reading and hope you all enjoyed! I'll be sure to update as I put down some more miles.
 
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Glad to hear another review for the base model. I can't wait till mine arrives. All these reviews are just mashing it that much harder of a wait.
 
Congratulation gyh.
Absolutely nothing wrong with a base versus a S.
You wouldn’t really feel the difference in rims either. At least I couldn’t.
Also,Fwiw, as a track bike come canyon carver, most racers would prefer manual suspension.
Not saying the Ohlins on the S isn’t good, just saying you’ll never find a auto suspension in a high level race. Ask yourself why.
The R ,which will be released soon I hope, will almost certainly have ohlins manual.
I am drawn to the base for its purity. A set of carbon rims , and Ohlins cartridges and shock,
will put it a whole other level compared to a S.
But then again it’s just my opinion and am sure not everyone feels the same. And that is why we have the S.
Either way these new v4 are next level. Enjoy the ride !
 
Congratulation gyh.
Not saying the Ohlins on the S isn’t good, just saying you’ll never find a auto suspension in a high level race. Ask yourself why.

Don't have to ask yourself, ask the FIM. Because they banned it after 2008; Yamaha had been running electronic Ohlins with Haga and Corser.

That said, no issue with the base either. Have a base 1199 with forged S wheels and a BPF/TTX combo on it myself. Might have to find something new and shiny to put those wheels on... :rolleyes:
 
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Don't have to ask yourself, ask the FIM. Because they banned it after 2008; Yamaha had been running electronic Ohlins with Haga and Corser.

That said, no issue with the base either. Have a base 1199 with forged S wheels and a BPF/TTX combo on it myself. Might have to find something new and shiny to put those wheels on... :rolleyes:

Steve , that's interesting. Been following WSB for years and wasn't aware of the FIM ruling.
What was their reason why ? I mean they allow other electronics so why not suspension ?
 
Fwiw, our local racers have tried racing with electronic suspension , especially on the BMW and pani V2 range.
After failed race setups, all the bikes were converted to manual suspension.
There is one R1m running the electronic setup, but he is a way off the leaders pace so suppose they ok for that.
Can’t comment as I have never raced with electronic suspension.
 
Steve , that’s interesting. Been following WSB for years and wasn’t aware of the FIM ruling.
What was their reason why ? I mean they allow other electronics so why not suspension ?

Expect it was a bit like the (attempted) current limits on aero in MotoGP. Cost containment primarily, trying to avoid an arms race with spiraling costs to stay competitive. If memory serves, the stuff they were running then was GPS based rather than event based like the current stuff, which was developed primarily for road use. I can actually see an argument for the current tech being better for track use than the old GPS tech, since it'll be more predictable and consistent. Haga in particular didn't like the older electronic suspension because it changed all over the track.

But tracks are so much smoother than roads that I do think the road is a better application, as it allows you to run more compliant settings while still having acceleration and braking support on demand.
 
Guys, for those choosing the base over the S you don’t need to keep justifying your decision by always looking at the S with such negativity.

I have ordered an S purely because I have had a Panigale 1199S for six years and simply love the electronic suspension. I came onto this bike from my 1098R, It is a great bike but I was always chasing my tail trying to get a suitable suspension setting. They are unforgiving.

I spent the time to tune the electronics settings on my Panigale to my size, weight and riding preference then matched each setting with a suitable engine and aids settings. I now have 3 great settings where I can simply scroll through from a nice soft doughy twin with soft settings, through to a hi power setting with more sporty suspension settings to a pure race setting. The race setting is pretty much where my 1098R is all the time.

I scroll through these continullay when I head off in a road depending on where I am, the conditions or simply what mood I am in. All the electronics work together and it is simply sensational. Once you have it you would never go backwards.

My Multistrada Enduro takes all this one step further with not only a 4th setting for off road riding but also full connectivity with head set, phone, GPS, and full interface with all riding details straight to my iPhone, simply brilliant. 4 bikes in one, and I scroll through each mode continually depending on what road I am riding on. Instantly from road to off road for example.

I assume the V4 electronics will now take sports bikes to the next level. But of course to get the full benefit you need all the aids including electronic suspension. I believe the V4 now has an adaptive mode for the suspension which will choose what is suitable.

All this works so seamlessly and lightening fast.

The reason it was stopped in racing was to keep a more even playing field as they were heading down the path of having the suspension and aids mapped to GPS settings around a track and was seen as an unfair advantage to those who did not have such technology.

Lucklily makers such as Ducati kept developing it for us mere mortals for the road. I also have similar on my Mercedes AMG Coupé and now have a number of modes set depending on what I want for the conditions.

By the way I am 59 and used to ride all the old bikes that some stare back at with wonderment. I can tell you they weren’t that great.

We are lucky indeed, and I love the fact I can buy such a bike. Enjoy all.
 
Guys, for those choosing the base over the S you don't need to keep justifying your decision by always looking at the S with such negativity.

I have ordered an S purely because I have had a Panigale 1199S for six years and simply love the electronic suspension. I came onto this bike from my 1098R, It is a great bike but I was always chasing my tail trying to get a suitable suspension setting. They are unforgiving.

I spent the time to tune the electronics settings on my Panigale to my size, weight and riding preference then matched each setting with a suitable engine and aids settings. I now have 3 great settings where I can simply scroll through from a nice soft doughy twin with soft settings, through to a hi power setting with more sporty suspension settings to a pure race setting. The race setting is pretty much where my 1098R is all the time.

I scroll through these continullay when I head off in a road depending on where I am, the conditions or simply what mood I am in. All the electronics work together and it is simply sensational. Once you have it you would never go backwards.

My Multistrada Enduro takes all this one step further with not only a 4th setting for off road riding but also full connectivity with head set, phone, GPS, and full interface with all riding details straight to my iPhone, simply brilliant. 4 bikes in one, and I scroll through each mode continually depending on what road I am riding on. Instantly from road to off road for example.

I assume the V4 electronics will now take sports bikes to the next level. But of course to get the full benefit you need all the aids including electronic suspension. I believe the V4 now has an adaptive mode for the suspension which will choose what is suitable.

All this works so seamlessly and lightening fast.

The reason it was stopped in racing was to keep a more even playing field as they were heading down the path of having the suspension and aids mapped to GPS settings around a track and was seen as an unfair advantage to those who did not have such technology.

Lucklily makers such as Ducati kept developing it for us mere mortals for the road. I also have similar on my Mercedes AMG Coupé and now have a number of modes set depending on what I want for the conditions.

By the way I am 59 and used to ride all the old bikes that some stare back at with wonderment. I can tell you they weren't that great.

We are lucky indeed, and I love the fact I can buy such a bike. Enjoy all.
Very well stated, thank you!

I tried to resist the "S" but I am useless with manual suspension settings and I have really enjoyed the BMW S1000XR/RR electronic suspension so...

Yesterday I gave in and had my deposit moved from the "Base" to the "S".

My indecision has cost me time :( I was expecting the "Base" to arrive in March but now that I switched to the "S" I probably won't see my bike until June.
 
Very well stated, thank you!

I tried to resist the "S" but I am useless with manual suspension settings and I have really enjoyed the BMW S1000XR/RR electronic suspension so...

Yesterday I gave in and had my deposit moved from the "Base" to the "S".

My indecision has cost me time :( I was expecting the "Base" to arrive in March but now that I switched to the "S" I probably won't see my bike until June.

haha, i almost pull the trigger like you did but hold my nerve. can't wait to pick up my base model tomorrow or next monday!!! save myself 8.8K for other mods, waiting and patient is not my friend!!!
 
Very well stated, thank you!

I tried to resist the "S" but I am useless with manual suspension settings and I have really enjoyed the BMW S1000XR/RR electronic suspension so...

Yesterday I gave in and had my deposit moved from the "Base" to the "S".

My indecision has cost me time :( I was expecting the "Base" to arrive in March but now that I switched to the "S" I probably won't see my bike until June.

Try calling around. I was at a local dealer yesterday and there was a V4S available for purchase immediately. Someone backed out, and it suddenly became available. Had I not recently picked up a bike, I would have likely pulled the trigger.
 

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