V4R vs V4SL On dyno and on scales

TouchUpDirect · Oct 19, 2020

I posted this in the Superleggera forum, but since it involves an R as well perhaps it fits here too. If not, mods please delete one if appropriate.
I had an old friend he’ll me dyno the V4R and SL back to back, same day last friday. Results here:

And I also weighed them both:

i tried to cover all the interesting info, but let me know if theres questions. We did not measure torque, we didn’t have enough time to get to a lead for the sensor on both bikes.

RickD996 · Oct 20, 2020

Great comparison, thanks for doing it back to back!

Did you get any fault codes on the dyno? If so, did you need to clear them at a dealer?

Val213 · Oct 20, 2020

$40k for the bike and 70k for all carbon fiber? Good deal

vcyclenut · Oct 20, 2020

thanks for posting!!

TouchUpDirect · Oct 20, 2020

RickD996 said:
Great comparison, thanks for doing it back to back!

Did you get any fault codes on the dyno? If so, did you need to clear them at a dealer?

Thanks. There was an ABS fault on both but it didn’t limit power and both cleared themselves.

billetman · Oct 20, 2020

Thanks for posting the diminishing return certainly comes into to play here, might be cheaper to go on a diet. Would like to see this comparison between an s and an r.

TouchUpDirect · Oct 20, 2020

billetman said:
Thanks for posting the diminishing return certainly comes into to play here, might be cheaper to go on a diet. Would like to see this comparison between an s and an r.

LOL, no question the returns are diminished. The SL is just an exercise of Ducati flexing their muscles. It’s not just the carbon everything, but every detail of the bike is greatly enhanced. Fit and finish is like no bike I’ve ever seen before, it comes with most of the DP accessories, the crate is beautiful, etc.

I should probably do a video on that stuff alone.

Cheme85 · Oct 20, 2020

Ya'll didn't measure torque, but measured hp? Whatever you measure you should just be able to back into the other number unless I'm missing something here (full disclosure I haven't watched the video yet).

HP = Torque x RPM / 5252

RickD996 · Oct 20, 2020

Cheme85 said:
Ya'll didn't measure torque, but measured hp? Whatever you measure you should just be able to back into the other number unless I'm missing something here (full disclosure I haven't watched the video yet).

HP = Torque x RPM / 5252

Not being anal, but I believe it should be:

HP = (Torque x RPM)/5252

RickD996 · Oct 20, 2020

Or is it:

Torque = (power x RPM)/5252

The Avidmoto · Oct 20, 2020

TouchUpDirect said:
LOL, no question the returns are diminished. The SL is just an exercise of Ducati flexing their muscles. It’s not just the carbon everything, but every detail of the bike is greatly enhanced. Fit and finish is like no bike I’ve ever seen before, it comes with most of the DP accessories, the crate is beautiful, etc.

I should probably do a video on that stuff alone.

The Superleggera has always been a Ducati flex and its awesome. The very reason I traded in my Hypermotard for a Panigale R was because I saw a Superleggera 1199 in the wild and in the flesh and subconsciously fell in love. I don't know if Ducati planned that marketing but it worked on me!

TouchUpDirect · Oct 20, 2020

Cheme85 said:
Ya'll didn't measure torque, but measured hp? Whatever you measure you should just be able to back into the other number unless I'm missing something here (full disclosure I haven't watched the video yet).

HP = Torque x RPM / 5252

No, didn't measure torque. It was an amount of time in the day issue...we just didn't have enough of it.

BP PanigaleV4S · Oct 20, 2020

Math can give you the torque numbers if you have HP and vice versa.

Keith197 · Oct 21, 2020

Are you running the p09 or f1-85 air filters?

Cheme85 · Oct 21, 2020

Nothing wrong with being anal about math, but parathensis aren't necesarry in this case. You can multiply and divide in any order you want and the answer is the same.

RickD996 said:
Not being anal, but I believe it should be:

HP = (Torque x RPM)/5252

Cheme85 · Oct 21, 2020

Exactly. If you have one number you should have the other number as well with a little math.

bp_SFV4 said:
Math can give you the torque numbers if you have HP and vice versa.

TouchUpDirect · Oct 21, 2020

Keith197 said:
Are you running the p09 or f1-85 air filters?

Yeah the Ducati “race kit” as they call it, comes with filters. The SL comes with the race kit, the R I purchased the full exhaust system separately. So both have filters but I didn’t actually look at which ones though.

Keith197 · Oct 21, 2020

Kit comes with the sprint P09, not sure if you would see a difference on the dyno with the sprint F1-85 but it flows more so I went for one.

BP PanigaleV4S · Oct 21, 2020

@TouchUpDirect what did you set the air pressure in the rear tire to for the dyno runs?

craig bush · Oct 22, 2020

Cheme85 said:
Exactly. If you have one number you should have the other number as well with a little math.

this ^^^

and unless i am grossly misinformed - torque is a force; power is a calculation.

torque can be measured. hp cannot be directly measured (it is only calculated).

so, the dyno measures torque and rpm, and from these measurements, it then calculates hp as force multiplied by velocity or: hp = torque x (rpm/5252)

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