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jarelj said:
USA Prices:
Panigale V4 - $21,195 MSRP
Panigale V4S - $26,995 MSRP
Panigale V4 Speciale - $39,995 MSRP
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Spain prices:

Panigale V4 - 25,190 € = 29,257 $ :Rodar los ojos:
Panigale V4S - 30,490 € = 35,413 $ : eek:
Panigale V4 Speciale - 45,000 € = 52,266 € :enojado:

Definitely Spain is different. :Rodar los ojos: :(
 
shakazulu12 said:
Jarel or anyone else who is scouring the internet. Have they released any actual chassis specs? IE, rake/trail head angle etc? Just curious where they may have made changes on that in conjunction with the new engine design. A little surprised at the lack of technical details. Seems like they just led with the power/weight figures. Which admittedly, are way more sexy.
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Compared to 1299, rake is the same, and 2mm more trail, 32mm longer wheelbase due to much longer swingarm. Overall this geometry should make a very stable bike that can accelerate hard without excess wheelie. No one has mentioned yet what is probably one of, if not THE biggest difference that will make this bike handle the best of the Superbike bunch - the counter-rotating crankshaft! Every MotoGP bike on the grid has a counter-rotating crank. Ducati will have the only bike for sale to the public with a counter-rotating crank. The reduction in gyroscopic forces to resist turning is very significant. The ABS system now has the ability to work in front-only mode using the lean-angle algorithms, which means it will actually work properly when ridden hard on the track. Whether the braking FEEL is up to race par, remains to be seen, since historically the ABS systems have felt spongy to many of us and we've removed them. I'll give this one the benefit of the doubt until I can ride it. All of the electronics are going to be a step above current stuff due to the new 6-axis IMU vs. the current 5-axis IMU in the 1299.

Subjective comments I can make now that the covers have been pulled off. Sitting on the bike, to me the riding position felt more aggressive than the current 1299. We'll see once they're side-by-side with more people judging it, but I sat on the 959 Corse and the V4 back-to-back and the V4 feels more aggressive, both bar and footpeg position. The bike has a very aggressive look to it, that's something that is not translating well in the 2D images on the internet. Like I mentioned before, very few people will see this bike in person and decide they don't want one because they don't like the look. The new dash is sweet, everyone's going to love it I think.

The Akra exhaust is worthy of hanging on a wall as a modern art sculpture. It is going to be awesome to be back to the days where we can put a race exhaust on a Ducati Superbike and actually get REAL horsepower gains again, +12HP and -8LBS is something we haven't seen for a long time. I'll be surprised if we sell many V4's without that exhaust on them, it's the real deal. No, it won't be cheap, slightly more than the current Akra setup for 1299, but much more significant performance gains.

And please don't shoot the messenger here, but just giving everyone a heads-up that this bike is going to roll out in a little different fashion that what we've been accustomed to. Availability for 2018 is going to be very tight, dealers were not given the opportunity to order as many bikes as we want, we were given an allocation of how many they can produce and that's all. So dealers are not going to have enough bikes to meet demand. For us as dealers, we don't like this, our ideal scenario is to have bikes in stock for sale all year long. It's not going to be like that, these are probably all going to be pre-sold with deposits well before they start rolling out next Spring. I don't want to get into specific numbers because I don't know for sure, but I can say that I'm only getting half of the bikes that I would have wanted. I suspect, and this is just my guess, that the 959 still being on the old platform as the new bike is on the new platform, limits the production capacity, as well as the engine takes longer to produce. Eventually it will catch up I'm sure, but for the 1st half of 2018, not everyone who wants a bike is going to get one. Fair warning.
 
jarelj said:
Compared to 1299, rake is the same, and 2mm more trail, 32mm longer wheelbase due to much longer swingarm. Overall this geometry should make a very stable bike that can accelerate hard without excess wheelie. No one has mentioned yet what is probably one of, if not THE biggest difference that will make this bike handle the best of the Superbike bunch - the counter-rotating crankshaft! Every MotoGP bike on the grid has a counter-rotating crank. Ducati will have the only bike for sale to the public with a counter-rotating crank. The reduction in gyroscopic forces to resist turning is very significant. The ABS system now has the ability to work in front-only mode using the lean-angle algorithms, which means it will actually work properly when ridden hard on the track. Whether the braking FEEL is up to race par, remains to be seen, since historically the ABS systems have felt spongy to many of us and we've removed them. I'll give this one the benefit of the doubt until I can ride it. All of the electronics are going to be a step above current stuff due to the new 6-axis IMU vs. the current 5-axis IMU in the 1299.

Subjective comments I can make now that the covers have been pulled off. Sitting on the bike, to me the riding position felt more aggressive than the current 1299. We'll see once they're side-by-side with more people judging it, but I sat on the 959 Corse and the V4 back-to-back and the V4 feels more aggressive, both bar and footpeg position. The bike has a very aggressive look to it, that's something that is not translating well in the 2D images on the internet. Like I mentioned before, very few people will see this bike in person and decide they don't want one because they don't like the look. The new dash is sweet, everyone's going to love it I think.

The Akra exhaust is worthy of hanging on a wall as a modern art sculpture. It is going to be awesome to be back to the days where we can put a race exhaust on a Ducati Superbike and actually get REAL horsepower gains again, +12HP and -8LBS is something we haven't seen for a long time. I'll be surprised if we sell many V4's without that exhaust on them, it's the real deal. No, it won't be cheap, slightly more than the current Akra setup for 1299, but much more significant performance gains.

And please don't shoot the messenger here, but just giving everyone a heads-up that this bike is going to roll out in a little different fashion that what we've been accustomed to. Availability for 2018 is going to be very tight, dealers were not given the opportunity to order as many bikes as we want, we were given an allocation of how many they can produce and that's all. So dealers are not going to have enough bikes to meet demand. For us as dealers, we don't like this, our ideal scenario is to have bikes in stock for sale all year long. It's not going to be like that, these are probably all going to be pre-sold with deposits well before they start rolling out next Spring. I don't want to get into specific numbers because I don't know for sure, but I can say that I'm only getting half of the bikes that I would have wanted. I suspect, and this is just my guess, that the 959 still being on the old platform as the new bike is on the new platform, limits the production capacity, as well as the engine takes longer to produce. Eventually it will catch up I'm sure, but for the 1st half of 2018, not everyone who wants a bike is going to get one. Fair warning.
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mv F3 has counter-rotating crankshaft.

are you sure the akra are 8lbs saving? in the presentation they say 8kg saving with the kit racing.
 
Riki said:
mv F3 has counter-rotating crankshaft.

are you sure the akra are 8lbs saving? in the presentation they say 8kg saving with the kit racing.
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MV F3 is not a Superbike. Maybe MV will make a Superbike with one also at some point, or maybe they'll go bankrupt, we'll see! :cool:

Sorry yes, my brain was thinking KG but my fingers automatically typed LBS, 8Kg weight savings is correct.
 
Seems like a lot of people are getting distracted by the visual aspect of the bike and completely overlooking the engine. This engine is a huge leap forward (counter rotating crank, big bang firing order, variable length intake stacks, etc).

No other manufacturer has incorporated this much technology into a single update.
 
Engine sounds something special.

Im trying to tell myself I don't want one, but I want one.

The Speciale would be a nice garage partner for the Anniversario
 
Anyone know if they completed the left side of the bike? Wtf. Why no pics of it?
 
ttkarp said:
Anyone know if they completed the left side of the bike? Wtf. Why no pics of it?
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No, it only comes with the right side, left side will be a 2019 model. :p


Here's one:
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It's starting to grow on me. I bought a 2010 BMW S1000RR with its crazy looking fairings and looks and this no where near that. The specs are good and the dash looks awesome. About time someone integrated a analog tach with a digital dash. I also have no problem with the frame showing. About the only thing I'm not down with is the price. It's simply way too expensive. I can afford it but why? This will be something I might look at used when one of you really rich guys buys it and don't have time to ride it.

From the looks of that seat Ducati is still at it with the hard ass seat and offering a $300 comfort seat.
 
that frame is just so freakin' ugly. and all the superfluous angles all over the place. what a major screw up this is design-wise. i'm sure the engine and steering is phenomenal, but still....

screw it, even this 30sec photoshop is better:

 
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Please can someone with photoshop skill put the gold wheels from the Anniversario on the Speciale ? Just want to see what that looks like..
 

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