Why a 1299 S?

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You sound a bit like me, and I ended up going with the base. I paid 17,700 if memory serves me correct, and I figured if I really enjoy it that much and am longing for more, I'll buy next years S or R model. Let me be the first to tell you, the base is a monster that it more than worthy. Don't knock me, the R is beautiful and I get it, but I feel great with the base. I also saved a nice 10k down payment for a new ducati in a couple of years! In all seriousness, you can't really go wrong!
 
wilkson said:
One word light weight internals and lightning acceleration . It's not like the R is lacking for torque anyway .
If you spent more on your S than you can buy a R for that's your loss and not advisable to any new bike buyer .
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the R is really, really that much better for street use? that wasn't my impression from my test rides.

how I spend my money is exactly correct for me, and not necessarily for others. it boggles the mind that one would even care about how others feel about one's personal spending.
 
Couldn't care less how you spend your money . You mentioned it and I made a comment .
 
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kismetcapitan said:
for a track weapon, the R. But otherwise, the 1299S. One word: torque.
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Umm, the 1299 has the same peak torque, and some dyno's show the 1299 to have a little more midrange torque than the R.

If you wanted to use one word to try and differentiate between the 2 bikes, that isn't the word to use.

Test riders have taken the 1299S to the track in pure stock form, mirrors, mudflap and all....and have ran within 4sec of a WSBK race pace. Regardless of which bike one chooses, the rider will be the limiting factor.
 
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While both look similar get the one you will always smile to see. I was on the fence between the base and S and went with the S purely because I didn't want to ever think "maybe I should have gotten the S". Honestly you cannot go wrong with either, but they have somewhat different approaches as machines.
 
Chaotic said:
Umm, the 1299 has the same peak torque, and some dyno's show the 1299 to have a little more midrange torque than the R.

If you wanted to use one word to try and differentiate between the 2 bikes, that isn't the word to use.

Test riders have taken the 1299S to the track in pure stock form, mirrors, mudflap and all....and have ran within 4sec of a WSBK race pace. Regardless of which bike one chooses, the rider will be the limiting factor.
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Bikes have long ago gotten to the point where rider talent is the limiting factor. According to Ducati, the Panigale R makes a peak of 100.5lb/ft torque up at 10,250rpm, whereas the 1299S makes 106.7lb/ft torque at 8750rpm. This is something that can definitely be felt on the street, where I can surf the midrange torque and have more than enough power. Both bikes, Ducati claims to make the same peak 205 horsepower, although the 1299S hits the power peak 1000 rpms earlier.

To me, all 1198cc versions of the Panigale need to be wrung hard to get the goods, whereas the 1299 feels like an 1198R motor that's been taught some manners and graduated finishing school. For the street, the 1299 is the more flexible package. Illness and bad luck kept me from making the track days I had hoped to do on the 1299, but I imagine it will acquit itself better than the S1000RR I used to ride, probably on the straights but particularly in the corners.
 
CFRP King said:
While both look similar get the one you will always smile to see. I was on the fence between the base and S and went with the S purely because I didn't want to ever think "maybe I should have gotten the S". Honestly you cannot go wrong with either, but they have somewhat different approaches as machines.
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the LED lights are a very nice touch (although both should stay on when you turn on the high beams, dammit!!). But the trick Ohlins suspension alone makes it worth it, and lift one of those forged Marchesinis with the tire off, next time you're changing tires. They sure don't weigh much at all!!
 
kismetcapitan said:
According to Ducati, the Panigale R makes a peak of 100.5lb/ft torque up at 10,250rpm, whereas the 1299S makes 106.7lb/ft torque at 8750rpm. This is something that can definitely be felt on the street
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Placebo.

Bikes that are much heavier than the Panigale with just 60ft/lbs of torque can wheelie on throttle alone. Bikes that have 80ft/lbs of torque are insane.

Nobody can feel a difference of 6ft/lbs of torque when you are talking about bikes that put out 100ft/lbs. Nobody's butt dyno is THAT accurate, mine included.

ESPECIALLY on the street. I would be willing to bet damn near 80% of the people on this forum ever get above 8000rpm on the street anyway. My RSV4 is in street trim now, and i dont think i have been above 10k yet (in several months). These bikes just make too much power and the speed limits are too low. And i dont ride like an ...... on public roads.
 
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I've never even been in 5th or 6th gear and I've had the bike for 2 1/2 years. Maybe a handful of times been above 8k rpm. Bike is stupid fast to begin with. Last 2 gears are useless. Hell, even 4th can be useless in the streets. I shift around 6-7k rpm regular except 1st gear.
 
Indiana Jones said:
You sound a bit like me, and I ended up going with the base. I paid 17,700 if memory serves me correct. Let me be the first to tell you, the base is a monster that it more than worthy.
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Yep - accelerates, stops, turns as fast as anything out there with the possible exception of the S1000RR, and has superior mountain road/switchbacks power delivery
 
I do get mine flat out every time I ride, not many do.
The bike is a beast! We are very lucky to be able to ride such a machine!

When I had it on track at Cadwell this summer I had 9300rpm in 6th on park straight which is about 161-162mph true speed which amazingly would be about 5th through the speed trap at bsb compared to British super bikes! Insane!
 
double0 said:
I've never even been in 5th or 6th gear and I've had the bike for 2 1/2 years. Maybe a handful of times been above 8k rpm. Bike is stupid fast to begin with. Last 2 gears are useless. Hell, even 4th can be useless in the streets. I shift around 6-7k rpm regular except 1st gear.
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Never needed 4rth in any canyon anywhere. 3rd get used all the time. We keep the red dash lights blinking on this one :p



5th and 6th are a blast when you can but its only play time and certain location which are very limited.
 
The R motor also has more compression which is something you can feel. At the end of the day, looking at the brochure, I keep coming back to the R for me. I like 'em both but the R captivates me. I don't care how I'm going to use it. The S makes a little more sense on the road but I don't care about being sensible.
 
The S is one magnificent bike on track and street. But home for either is the track! You won't be disappointed with either!
 

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