Why a 1299 S?

TricoloreSF · Oct 27, 2015

kismetcapitan said:
the R is really, really that much better for street use? that wasn't my impression from my test rides.

how I spend my money is exactly correct for me, and not necessarily for others. it boggles the mind that one would even care about how others feel about one's personal spending.

Well neither are good for street riding, because they weren't designed to be. Let's be honest, there's good street bikes out there, the Pani isn't one of them.

Chaotic · Oct 27, 2015

TricoloreSF said:
Well neither are good for street riding, because they weren't designed to be. Let's be honest, there's good street bikes out there, the Pani isn't one of them.

Well said. Couldn't agree more.

I made a similar comment in a different thread.

Claymore · Oct 27, 2015

wilkson said:
How is it the first "true " Panigale R ?

The previous Panigale 1199R's were just slightly dollied up versions of the S. The new "R" is a serious race bike again and also markedly more pricey than its more common breathen.

kismetcapitan · Oct 27, 2015

TricoloreSF said:
Well neither are good for street riding, because they weren't designed to be. Let's be honest, there's good street bikes out there, the Pani isn't one of them.

well true, but what do you want out of a street bike? the answer to that varies. I have a Multistrada that is supposed to be my daily rider because the 1299S is supposed to be too uncomfortable for street riding. But I do all my city riding on the 1299S because it's just a lot more fun. Well, if I wanted a comfortable superbike I should have kept my S1000RR. But that bike lacked a passion for living life to its fullest.

The Panigale isn't a "good" touring bike either.

Slowdive2 · Oct 27, 2015

TricoloreSF said:
Well neither are good for street riding, because they weren't designed to be. Let's be honest, there's good street bikes out there, the Pani isn't one of them.

The problem I have w/ bifurcating riding into "street" and "track" is that there are many different kinds of streets... which vary wildly regionally. Some streets aren't good for any motorcycle (NYC for example), some are better suited to tourers, some are most fun on a 200 hp superbike.

990Glen · Oct 27, 2015

The panigale is a damn sight better street bike than the 1098 series and they manage fine. Folk have different ideas on what they deem acceptable for different modes of riding, which is why some folk are more than happy to do track days on multistradas or KTM adventures, while others must have the most cutting edge race tool possible.
Rider preconceptions and voluntary limitations are a lot more restricting than the machines themselves.

TricoloreSF · Oct 27, 2015

There's, of course, opinions of better bikes within different categories but there's a reason for the existence of different genres of bikes. If I'm careful I can tighten a 1/2" bolt with a 12mm wrench I guess but there's a tool for that. None of this is to say or judge what you can and can't ride anywhere the hell you want.

But a 1290 Super Duke R is a good street bike. I just don't find it all that subjective.

The Avidmoto · Oct 27, 2015

990Glen said:
The panigale is a damn sight better street bike than the 1098 series and they manage fine. Folk have different ideas on what they deem acceptable for different modes of riding, which is why some folk are more than happy to do track days on multistradas or KTM adventures, while others must have the most cutting edge race tool possible.
Rider preconceptions and voluntary limitations are a lot more restricting than the machines themselves.

So true. If you are fast you are pretty much fast on everything!

SuperDuc29 · Oct 27, 2015

TricoloreSF said:
Well neither are good for street riding, because they weren't designed to be. Let's be honest, there's good street bikes out there, the Pani isn't one of them.

They can be a little tough to ride on the street but wasn't there this "Hero" guy that took a Pani around the world including around this country?

wilkson · Oct 27, 2015

Claymore said:
The previous Panigale 1199R's were just slightly dollied up versions of the S. The new "R" is a serious race bike again and also markedly more pricey than its more common breathen.

The previous R had different crank flywheel titanium rods titanium valves came with a full system had a different loom different ECU adjustable swing arm pivot which is similar to what makes the current R different to the 1299 .
The comparison between the 1299 and the current R would be similar to that of the previous R and the 1199 I'm finding it hard to see what makes one more worthy of being called a R over the other .
You could would have to say they are both "dollies " up .
The R before the 1098 R were certainly different bikes than the common varieties of the same model .

Claymore · Oct 27, 2015

wilkson said:
The previous R had different crank flywheel titanium rods titanium valves came with a full system had a different loom different ECU adjustable swing arm pivot which is similar to what makes the current R different to the 1299 .
The comparison between the 1299 and the current R would be similar to that of the previous R and the 1199 I'm finding it hard to see what makes one more worthy of being called a R over the other .
You could would have to say they are both "dollies " up .
The R before the 1098 R were certainly different bikes than the common varieties of the same model .

All the Panis have Ti inlet valves, only the Superlegerra and new R have Ti exhaust valves... just saying...

jyli19 · Oct 27, 2015

Buy the best bike you can afford and ride the .... of it. Otherwise, what fun is earning all that money.

ultra300x · Oct 27, 2015

TricoloreSF said:
Well neither are good for street riding, because they weren't designed to be. Let's be honest, there's good street bikes out there, the Pani isn't one of them.

Disagree - I think the 1299 makes a great street bike, very flexible power delivery, stump puller midrange (makes other liters feel anemic), perfect for mountain roads. Would I take a long trip on it, no, but I'm not a long distance rider, even if I had a Gold Wing

zaster · Oct 27, 2015

jyli19 said:
Buy the best bike you can afford and ride the .... of it. Otherwise, what fun is earning all that money.

Yes, all to add to this is, you only live once.....

jjsC6 · Oct 28, 2015

I've read four pages and all of the comments talk about torque and the variances and nuances of performance. Forget all that ...., it's about the money. If you won't miss the money just flip a coin until it comes up whatever puts a smile on your face. If you have to decide between an "R" or feeding the dog, buy a base model.

ultra300x · Oct 28, 2015

jjsC6 said:
If you have to decide between an "R" or feeding the dog, buy a base model.

The R is not worth twice the money for street riding, that's the point

double0 · Oct 28, 2015

It's not about what is "worth it". If one can justify the cost of any superbike with an emotional attachment towards a specific model over another, then for that person, that bike is worth it and more.....in other ways besides financial. For me personally, the R gives you an edge over a base. If money isn't an option, the R is definitely worth it. Not even cuz of all the extra bells and whistles either but because of the looks, the feel, the exclusivity. They may not be a numbered model but more owners would buy a base or S than an R, mostly due to cost. Therefore, making it a more rare model. People who buy an R aren't paying almost twice the cost of a base because they think it's a better bike for their needs...Unless of course they are racing. If that was the case, there are much cheaper options with very similar performance specs, if not better. Like I said, if cost isn't an issue, R all the way. It certainly would have been my choice if I didn't already own a Panigale. What a sexy ... 2 wheeler. Damn.

kismetcapitan · Oct 28, 2015

ultra300x said:
The R is not worth twice the money for street riding, that's the point

it could be argued that all Ducati superbikes aren't worth the money we pay for mere street riding. Frames of reference are very subjective.

Count me among the few that deliberately chose the S over the R. Price wasn't even remotely a factor. I just remember the mantra "no replacement for displacement" whirling around in my head, and then of course the automatic suspension settings, versus the hard-core units for suspension gurus steeped in that black art.

Marmoot · Oct 29, 2015

Ha, i thought that before. Then i got an 848 for a good bargain so i had to ask for it. After i test rode it, i realised it damn well worth the price and maintenance cost. Then i bought my panigale and rode it. It damn well worth every penny. Then i bought another cbr for my second bike. And now every time i ride my cbr i keep thinking "What the hell is this crap handling?".
Midrange Ducati's are worth every penny.

Slowdive2 · Oct 29, 2015

kismetcapitan said:
...and then of course the automatic suspension settings, versus the hard-core units for suspension gurus steeped in that black art.

This was the big factor for me in choosing the S, I'm not a suspension expert so for me this feature was worth the extra $'s (that and the wheels)

If you have suspension engineer for a best friend, then Im sure you'll make do without.

Why a 1299 S?

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