Will Termi prices drop now???

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Will Termis drop in price

  • They have to

    Votes: 27 50.0%

  • Nope..still good fair price

    Votes: 14 25.9%

  • Time will tell

    Votes: 13 24.1%
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With the advent of the Ti Akra system..will the Termi price have to drop to stand a chance of still selling???
 
Yup. In my mind it has to. It has been shown to be inferior so I'd guess new full termis would need to be about 2800 bucks. Used sets about 1800 and used slips somewhere in the 800-1000 mark. Anybody want to sell me theirs? :)
 
i bought my stuff in parts. slips cost me 1500 and the pipe cost me 850. so for the full system do the math. all brand new all from ducati dealers. thats my only saving grace against the akra system
 
I think time will tell...Retail Akra's are at $4600 plus shipping. Lowest prices online are about $3500. Slightly used Termi's around $2500. That's almost a 30% difference in price. Almost 1/3 less. That's still quite a bit of money.
 
i say nope but not for the reason listed :D (thats for you stw lol) Termi is the preferred brand of ducati loyalists and you dont have to have your bike tuned as the upmap still works. termi isnt changing a thing.
 
Nitrouz said:
I think time will tell...Retail Akra's are at $4600 plus shipping. Lowest prices online are about $3500. Slightly used Termi's around $2500. That's almost a 30% difference in price. Almost 1/3 less. That's still quite a bit of money.
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I'd like to meet the guy that dropped 20-30k on a Panigale, saw that torque curve in the Akra thread and then thought, "man, I can save like a grand by buying termis!". That's one seriously misguided nickel rocket.
 
mark419ny said:
i say nope but not for the reason listed :D (thats for you stw lol) Termi is the preferred brand of ducati loyalists and you dont have to have your bike tuned as the upmap still works. termi isnt changing a thing.
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Lol...I can add an option Mark...:p
 
Capt CF said:
Yup. In my mind it has to. It has been shown to be inferior so I'd guess new full termis would need to be about 2800 bucks. Used sets about 1800 and used slips somewhere in the 800-1000 mark. Anybody want to sell me theirs? :)
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I don't think its been proven inferior personally. Yes its heavier, but only a few pounds. I don't think we have seen a dyno comparison between a bike with the termis and a bike with an akra on the same dyno.

If I didn't have the Termis I would probably buy the Akras simply because they turn blue :D

Some people don't want to have to spend $500 more + dyno time to tune the bike, when Termi has a solution you can simply plug in and be done.

Im still convinced the "magic" from the akra is in the custom tune versus the safe/must work for everyone up-map.
 
Capt CF said:
I'd like to meet the guy that dropped 20-30k on a Panigale, saw that torque curve in the Akra thread and then thought, "man, I can save like a grand by buying termis!". That's one seriously misguided nickel rocket.
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I see your point. :)
 
Akra may take exception to their product being sold at such a heavy discount and look to clamp down on those retailers especially if they will be working with Ducati going forward.

That should ensure both manufacturers keep their margin
 
I kinda agree with Mark on this one, "Nope", but not because of the fair price option you listed. Termis are sold basically as a checkbox option at Ducati dealers and come backed by the factory with Ducati upmaps... there are a lot of customers out there that don't spend their days researching power curves on forums like us, that will just go into their dealer and recognize the Termi brand and buy it. They have no need to lower their price because these customers will keep buying them.
 
reganc said:
Akra may take exception to their product being sold at such a heavy discount and look to clamp down on those retailers especially if they will be working with Ducati going forward.

That should ensure both manufacturers keep their margin
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I disagree; this makes very little business sense. If retailers are content with a reduced profit margin then it's a win-win situation for Akrapovic. Termi prices will most likely need to come down to maintain a competitive angle.
 
Duck41 said:
I disagree; this makes very little business sense. If retailers are content with a reduced profit margin then it's a win-win situation for Akrapovic. Termi prices will most likely need to come down to maintain a competitive angle.
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not really a lot of premium products do this Dainese, Sidi, Apple, Rolex etc and they have a contract in place in which they cannot sell below the "minimum advertised price" (MAP). It's not a race to the bottom and they want a varied distribution network and not one retailer selling it at cost and then leveraging the fact that they are their No 1 customer for a greater discount.
 
transdesigner said:
I kinda agree with Mark on this one, "Nope", but not because of the fair price option you listed. Termis are sold basically as a checkbox option at Ducati dealers and come backed by the factory with Ducati upmaps... there are a lot of customers out there that don't spend their days researching power curves on forums like us, that will just go into their dealer and recognize the Termi brand and buy it. They have no need to lower their price because these customers will keep buying them.
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Unfortunately I feel your assessment of Termi's approach is spot on as it's consistent with their lack of development for their Panigale system. It's a shaky strategy that can save a company a substantial amount of money but includes the risk of leaving more room for competition to sneak into the picture, as Akrapovic has. To have a product usurped by the competition despite holding a two year market presence advantage is pretty disconcertng and alludes to a company being more concerned with the bottom line than with offering the best product possible. They will most likely keep tight on the price while taking a wait and see approach, but the aftermarket for 1199 Termi exhaust systems will undoubtedly be affected by Akra's introduction.
 
EvoL said:
I don't think its been proven inferior personally. Yes its heavier, but only a few pounds. I don't think we have seen a dyno comparison between a bike with the termis and a bike with an akra on the same dyno.

If I didn't have the Termis I would probably buy the Akras simply because they turn blue :D

Some people don't want to have to spend $500 more + dyno time to tune the bike, when Termi has a solution you can simply plug in and be done.

Im still convinced the "magic" from the akra is in the custom tune versus the safe/must work for everyone up-map.
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Agree 100%.
I have factory tuning software/hardware for my KTM 450sx. Its amazing how I am able to move the power around with that software. Point being, you look at the 2 exhausts on the dyno, there was a major drop in toque on the Termi between 5k-7k , is is a tuning issue not an exhaust issue. So, no the Termi is not obsolete it just need a better tune. But... the Akra is bad ... and what I have always run on my MX bikes (KTM come stock with them) :D.
 
reganc said:
not really a lot of premium products do this Dainese, Sidi, Apple, Rolex etc and they have a contract in place in which they cannot sell below the "minimum advertised price" (MAP). It's not a race to the bottom and they want a varied distribution network and not one retailer selling it at cost and then leveraging the fact that they are their No 1 customer for a greater discount.
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Enforcing a MAP is an entirely manufacturer self-serving tactic used primarily for very high volume product lines where hundreds, if not thousands of retailers are in the picture. This strategy causes frustration with retailers as well as consumers and would very likely be counter productive to establishing a larger market presence by inhibiting the process of getting more product into the hands of the public. For a company looking to compete in an already fairly established market segment, enforcing MAP would, in my opinion, be ill-advised.
 
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Just got a full Termi system for the equivalent of $1780. The mufflers seem heavy, so going to take one apart to see whats going on inside, see if there's any way to lighten it.
 
I hear that if Termi's are fitted, any engine issues are covered under warranty. This isn't the case with Akra's, at the moment anyway.
 

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