Will Termi prices drop now???

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Will Termis drop in price

  • They have to

    Votes: 27 50.0%

  • Nope..still good fair price

    Votes: 14 25.9%

  • Time will tell

    Votes: 13 24.1%
  • Total voters
    54
alb said:
I hear that if Termi's are fitted, any engine issues are covered under warranty. This isn't the case with Akra's, at the moment anyway.
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If this is true that impacts the poll/equation quite a bit. I am in the camp that thinks this bike needs every second of warranty available and then some.
 
Based on the information provided by owners of non-Termi exhaust systems, it appears the answer to the question of whether the warranty is voided depends primarily on the customer/dealer relationship. It would probably be best to consult with your dealer first and get their response in writing.
 
Duck41 said:
Based on the information provided by owners of non-Termi exhaust systems, it appears the answer to the question of whether the warranty is voided depends primarily on the customer/dealer relationship. It would probably be best to consult with your dealer first and get their response in writing.
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Mine said no effect, but it seems you need a tune to run the Akra, and that could void your warranty - what parts I'm not sure.
 
Trauma said:
Mine said no effect, but it seems you need a tune to run the Akra, and that could void your warranty - what parts I'm not sure.
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Seems odd to me that Ducati would start offering the Akra as the OEM exhaust on the SL and in the same breath say it voids the warranty if you tune it right. I guess we'll wait and see..
 
Capt CF said:
Seems odd to me that Ducati would start offering the Akra as the OEM exhaust on the SL and in the same breath say it voids the warranty if you tune it right. I guess we'll wait and see..
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It would be really great if Ducati themselves would issue a statement with regards to the warranty situation when fitting an Akra full system..Its BS that the dealer is the arbiter as to whether we are covered...or not...
 
i know for a fact that the people selling the AKRA system for a big discount are getting a backlash from akra and akra may pull their products from them. this started a while back when prices were leaked on this forum.
 
ok with warrenty issues its pretty simple. your dealer would have to prove that the akra system was the cause of the problem. we all know the system wont cause a problem. now if you tune your bike thats another story and ducati can Prove the tune did the damage
 
Capt CF said:
Seems odd to me that Ducati would start offering the Akra as the OEM exhaust on the SL and in the same breath say it voids the warranty if you tune it right. I guess we'll wait and see..
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I think part of the issue is Ducati can't police whether or not it's tuned right or in a way that could cause harm to the engine. With the termis, you get a Ducati upmap, which they obviously believe will not cause harm to the engine. Being in the powertrain design industry, there is no way i would want to honor my warranty if joe public at your local tuning shop writes his own map for it. So I can't blame Ducati here.

That being said, with the akra now on the SL, hopefully the akra may get its own Ducati upmap at somepoint.
 
transdesigner said:
I think part of the issue is Ducati can't police whether or not it's tuned right or in a way that could cause harm to the engine. With the termis, you get a Ducati upmap, which they obviously believe will not cause harm to the engine. Being in the powertrain design industry, there is no way i would want to honor my warranty if joe public at your local tuning shop writes his own map for it. So I can't blame Ducati here.

That being said, with the akra now on the SL, hopefully the akra may get its own Ducati upmap at somepoint.
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That's exactly what I was thinking. With termi they own both the hardware side and the software side and this introduces unknowns into the equation and they won't want to expend the resources to analyze every warranty claim permutation that walks in the door.
 
Capt CF said:
That's exactly what I was thinking. With termi they own both the hardware side and the software side and this introduces unknowns into the equation and they won't want to expend the resources to analyze every warranty claim permutation that walks in the door.
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.....but its not like your cannot have Termis and a non factory tune... So this is a very grey area.... But a policy statement would be helpful...No??
 
Stw said:
.....but its not like your cannot have Termis and a non factory tune... So this is a very grey area.... But a policy statement would be helpful...No??
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If that doesn't void your warranty, IMO it should...It certainly does on cars so why shouldn't it on bikes?

I (or any other tuner) can make a map for my termis and have it run too lean while trying to get the best tune, and ruin my engine. Why on earth should Ducati be liable for that?
 
If I was Ducati and somebody had engine troubles, and happen to have the Akra exhaust - I would not warranty the claim.

I may do it in good faith if it was a simple, inexpensive fix, though.

Its like you buying the SL Pistons, and saying well I installed them and now the bike doesn't run. Its not intended for your model, so wouldn't be covered.
 
mark419ny said:
i know for a fact that the people selling the AKRA system for a big discount are getting a backlash from akra and akra may pull their products from them. this started a while back when prices were leaked on this forum.
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Unless you have seen and can produce documentation issued directly from Akrapovic warning of backlash measures, this statement cannot be considered factual. Who do you believe benefits most from price fixing measures? Who dispersed the information to which you are referring? If the answer for both questions lead to the same source, proceed with caution.

Based on multiple retailer statements, Akrapovic is lagging behind on supply, which can be validated by the lengthy turnaround times that have been quoted for even modest group buy attempts due to low inventory. Considering the low number of inventory in the field, if Akrapovic was truly concerned that their units are selling for too low of a price, they would simply raise the prices issued to retailers instead of leaving money on the table. There's no point in hacking off major retailers when the alternate solution offers the same result while returning increased manufacturer revenue.
 
Duck41 said:
Unless you have seen and can produce documentation issued directly from Akrapovic warning of backlash measures, this statement cannot be considered factual. Who do you believe benefits most from price fixing measures? Who dispersed the information to which you are referring? If the answer for both questions lead to the same source, proceed with caution.

Based on multiple retailer statements, Akrapovic is lagging behind on supply, which can be validated by the lengthy turnaround times that have been quoted for even modest group buy attempts due to low inventory. Considering the low number of inventory in the field, if Akrapovic was truly concerned that their units are selling for too low of a price, they would simply raise the prices issued to retailers instead of leaving money on the table. There's no point in hacking off major retailers when the alternate solution offers the same result while returning increased manufacturer revenue.
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This makes no sense, the low prices on the net have been there for some time, and by their largest dealer (Motomummy) for several months, and the product is stock.
 
Trauma said:
This makes no sense, the low prices on the net have been there for some time, and by their largest dealer (Motomummy) for several months, and the product is stock.
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Precisely. It makes little sense for Akra to make whipping boys out of the retailers bringing in the most money. The fact that their largest dealer is content with lower prices while smaller retailers are beating a gong of "possible manufacturer backlash" forcing them to keep prices high raises red flags. It is logical to assume Akra's largest dealers are buying in much larger quantities than the typical smaller retailer, thereby allowing the larger retailer to get away with selling at a lower price point while maintaining a similar profit margin in addition to enjoying the benefit of moving more product as a result of the influx of customers seeking to purchase the unit at the lowest possible price. Smaller retailers naturally do not want to sit on unmovable product yet also understand they can't compete on price point, thus they are more inclined to devise other means to justify higher prices, one of which could feasibly be attempting to create the idea that their high price is actually a very good deal considering alleged inevitable price hikes across the board.
 
Soo... if you want the akra right now, just buy from Motomummy for hundreds less than some of their competition, and who cares how they have lower prices? Not worth debating IMO, just buy for less and be happy :)
 
transdesigner said:
Soo... if you want the akra right now, just buy from Motomummy for hundreds less than some of their competition, and who cares how they have lower prices? Not worth debating IMO, just buy for less and be happy :)
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There's certainly nothing wrong with paying a little more to support a particular company, but consumers generally look to purchase wherever they can find the lowest price (assuming they don't abhor the company offering the lowest price).
 

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