With all this new technology...do you think?

Indiana Jones · Jun 4, 2015

Do you think, Ducati will throw electric motors in the 1299/superbikes. I don't know enough about the history of Ducati to pass judgment on the matter. Part of me thinks that Ducati is at the forefront with design and taking chances which is clear in the 1299. From frame to electronics, Ducati is pushing the industry. The other part of me thinks that historically speaking, they wouldn't be interested in electric motors, hell they still run twins (not complaining). I am really intrigued by electric motors for cars or bikes, if in the hands of the right guys. I think it's inevitable for a few different reasons, but what are your thoughts?

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slow jamz · Jun 4, 2015

I don't think they're doing anything anyone else isn't doing, beside offering a beautiful niche bike.

If anything they seem to be behind on electronics.

BTrain5489 · Jun 4, 2015

slow jamz said:
I don't think they're doing anything anyone else isn't doing, beside offering a beautiful niche bike.

If anything they seem to be behind on electronics.

How are they behind?

The only thing anyone has this generation that the Duc doesn't have is slide control.

Indiana Jones · Jun 4, 2015

What do I know? haha. I mean the frame I would say is quite innovative, and who else offers more technology on their bikes...besides maybe yamaha.

ghostdog6 · Jun 4, 2015

Electric motors in vehicles is just a stopgap until the next revolution in transportation comes along.

crazyduc996 · Jun 4, 2015

The top of the line RSV-4 Aprilia has some good stuff on it, I heard with the GPS at the track you can tune the suspension per corner, it is what I have heard, I haven't confirmed. Not sure if either the 1299 or R1 do that.

fzr100098 · Jun 4, 2015

Electric motors are useless at the track - a few laps and the batteries are dead. Unless battery technology changes big time, I can't see it going anywhere for sport/track bikes

Duck41 · Jun 4, 2015

The two platforms (internal combustion vs. electric motor) don't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive. There is a great deal of performance potential available via the proper integration of a mild hybrid system utilizing a kinetic energy recovery system. This would allow energy that is otherwise expended as heat (e.g., when braking), to be stored and used later to supplement internal combustion engine power output-- but without the undesirable weight penalty associated with battery-dependent energy storage systems.

I would wager that either this or forced induction will carry us into the next frontier of motorcycle propulsion technology, and I expect Ducati to be at the forefront of implementing this into road-going products. I don't see exclusive electric motor propulsion platforms gaining mainstream status until sometime afterwards once battery technology (weight, range, charging downtime, etc.) and the charging station infrastructure have reached acceptable levels.

Indiana Jones · Jun 4, 2015

Hybrid bikes might be possible too. I believe electric is coming, whether we want to admit it or not... just my .02 ¢

Indiana Jones · Jun 4, 2015

Duck41 said:
The two platforms (internal combustion vs. electric motor) don't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive. There is a great deal of performance potential available via the proper integration of a mild hybrid system utilizing a kinetic energy recovery system. This would allow energy that is otherwise expended as heat (e.g., when braking), to be stored and used later to supplement internal combustion engine power output-- but without the undesirable weight penalty associated with battery-dependent energy storage systems.

I would wager that either this, or forced induction, will carry us into the the next frontier of motorcycle propulsion technology, and I expect Ducati to be at the forefront of implementing this into road-going products. I don't see exclusive electric motor propulsion platforms gaining mainstream status until sometime afterwards once battery technology (weight, range, charging downtime, etc.) and the charging station infrastructure have reached acceptable levels.

Amen.

fzr100098 · Jun 4, 2015

Hybrid is a good idea but adds significant weight - again, unlikely to fly at the track anytime soon

Charliem90 · Jun 4, 2015

Until the/a electric vehicle consortium gets together and agrees on a standard battery(ies) format and swap out, electric vehicles will never be nothing more than a minor, niche curiosity in transportation.

Until an electric vehicle has the same refill/refuel time characteristics as an internal combustion engined vehicle (via a standardized physical/electical format with easy swap access), it's all a pipe dream. Just expensive toys for the wealthy assuaging guilty feelings and lying to themselves that they're helping the environment.

Does anyone seriously look forward to spending an hour at a rest stop/charging station for every 3 hours of drive time? Silliness.

akunochi · Jun 4, 2015

BTrain5489 said:
How are they behind?

The only thing anyone has this generation that the Duc doesn't have is slide control.

Also they lack the intelligent break control such as in the R1M to prevent the rear from lifting during hard braking. Unless I missed something.

Duck41 · Jun 4, 2015

akunochi said:
Also they lack the intelligent break control such as in the R1M to prevent the rear from lifting during hard braking. Unless I missed something.

This is a function of the Bosch ABS processor, which all Panigales have been equipped with since MY2013 (optional for MY2012). I believe ABS setting 2 and up provide this functionality, whereas setting 1 disables ABS in the rear and sets very low intervention up front (stoppies are possible).

bradp51 · Jun 4, 2015

Indiana Jones said:
What do I know? haha. I mean the frame I would say is quite innovative, and who else offers more technology on their bikes...besides maybe yamaha.

What frame

akunochi · Jun 4, 2015

Duck41 said:
This is a function of the Bosch ABS processor, which all Panigales have been equipped with since MY2013 (optional for MY2012). I believe ABS setting 2 and up provide this functionality, whereas setting 1 disables ABS in the rear and sets very low intervention up front (stoppies are possible).

Well that explains my entry into turn 1 at VIR north lol.

fzr100098 · Jun 4, 2015

Doesn't race mode also disable rear ABS? Thought I read that - I usually ride in sport mode full power

Indiana Jones · Jun 4, 2015

Charliem90 said:
Until the/a electric vehicle consortium gets together and agrees on a standard battery(ies) format and swap out, electric vehicles will never be nothing more than a minor, niche curiosity in transportation.

Until an electric vehicle has the same refill/refuel time characteristics as an internal combustion engined vehicle (via a standardized physical/electical format with easy swap access), it's all a pipe dream. Just expensive toys for the wealthy assuaging guilty feelings and lying to themselves that they're helping the environment.

Does anyone seriously look forward to spending an hour at a rest stop/charging station for every 3 hours of drive time? Silliness.

They are helping the environment, electric power is far better than burning gas/diesel fuels for the environment. Additionally, electric technology is moving quickly. Its effective now and is only getting better. The initial article is sets forth the fact that electric motors are not merely a niche market catering to curiosity of the rich. Race bikes and cars are using them. And a Stanford student has recently made a huge discovery...don't take my word for it, read the link.

Aluminum battery from Stanford offers safe alternative to conventional batteries

Im not going to act niave and pretend the technology is abundantly available...but its coming.

flobrandx · Jun 4, 2015

Not that I'm a fan of electric but there are two excellent examples of the combined performance of combustion and electric in the McLaren P1 and the BMW i8. Impressive cars but can they do the same thing in the small footprint of a motorcycle?

fzr100098 · Jun 4, 2015

I'd pick hydrogen as the ultimate "green" fuel if it could be safely stored and dispensed

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