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The stats demonstrate that some of us latte lurkers will die on our beloved Ducati motorcycles well before natural causes.
I didn't see the Ducati pie chart for fatalities.

2020 saw 91,799 drug involved OD deaths. A touch higher than 5,579 motorcycle fatalities for the same year. 32% of that 5,579 figure were alcohol-impaired. It's a safe bet to say don't be drunk riding at night and your motorcycle fatality risk is greatly reduced.
No no I'd love to hear an explanation of how this revolutionary therapy that's in plain sight but no major pharmaceutical company or reputable healthcare provider offers it

Speaking of ODs...the same people that gave opioids away like they were Skittles. I wouldn't hitch my wagon to that horse.
 
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Sure, we’ll for one, pharmaceutical companies develop and sell drugs to the masses. Drugs that after prescription and be used by the end user without invasive intervention. Not the case with IV not to mention that the market would be so small, big pharma wouldn’t even look at it.

Two, healthcare does not specialize in prevention. Very few people involve traditional healthcare in preventative scenarios.

I would suggest giving something a try before dismissing it. If it yields results, great if not you can converse on your opinion but to just come in and claim quackery really paints you into a wall with regard to fundamental hypothesis and calculated opinion.

Notice that everything I post about is accompanied by photos of me actually doing what I’m posting on? It’s called credibility dude. With rare exception if I don’t have actual experience with something, I stay out of it. I haven’t done NAD IV so I’m not commenting on it. I do use HBOT daily and it is amazing.
 
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So you're telling me you fully understand this topic?

You know what it's Christmas and I'm feeling helpful. Someone please explain this review below in layman's terms especially NAD metabolism and how exogenous NAD influences endogenous NAD production.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7558103/
I mean if you provide NAD intravenously so there's an excess extracellular, won't that tell cells that make NAD naturally to stop making NAD intracellular and now you're in a negative feedback loop and a deficit?

I'd also love Steven's thoughts on this figure
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You know what it's Christmas and I'm feeling helpful. Someone please explain this review below in layman's terms especially NAD metabolism and how exogenous NAD influences endogenous NAD production.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7558103/
I mean if you provide NAD intravenously so there's an excess extracellular, won't that tell cells that make NAD naturally to stop making NAD intracellular and now you're in a negative feedback loop and a deficit?

I'd also love Steven's thoughts on this figure
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@Steven31371 There's certainly somthing behind it but it's hard to digest fact from fiction and given the cost would be good to understand what's really required to see some benefits...

As ridiculous as the FDA is it may have been better if NAD wasn’t a naturally occurring substance thereby making it unregulated by the FDA, which means the neutracueticals industry got ahold of it and did their thing marketing it, so it’s hard to separate out from the rest of the chaff in that industry.

But the thing is, most pop music is ...., auto tuned dancers that can’t sing….but then there’s Adele, and Dolly Parton, pop music, but singers that can sing.
 
Oral bioavailability of NAD+ is relatively poor hence, the IV. Unlike many negative feedback loops such as the hormone biosynthetic pathway not every biochemical process succumbs to down regulation. In many cases excess is tightly modulated by enzymatic action and disposed of. I’d have to do some reading on it to comment further.
 
Oral bioavailability of NAD+ is relatively poor hence, the IV. Unlike many negative feedback loops such as the hormone biosynthetic pathway not every biochemical process succumbs to down regulation. In many cases excess is tightly modulated by enzymatic action and disposed of. I’d have to do some reading on it to comment further.

I found a place that delivers subcutaneous injections, much easier to administer than an IV. Useful because frequency and consistency of dosing seems important. Long term administration easier subcue.
 
I found a place that delivers subcutaneous injections, much easier to administer than an IV. Useful because frequency and consistency of dosing seems important. Long term administration easier subcue.
How do you even know that you’re getting this holy-grail NAD solution? They could literally be giving you saline and you’d be none the wiser.

But I’d bet placebo effect is stronger than the actual NAD effect
 
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How do you even know that you’re getting this holy-grail NAD solution? They could literally be giving you saline and you’d be none the wiser.
There are degree’s of cynicism through which we navigate life, that governs much of our decision making process…mine appears to be significantly lower than yours lol
 
This is not about Endo, its about evidence and the science behind some pretty extraordinary claims.

I think this is a giant red flag though

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To add a few minutes of research on 10X healthsystems and someone has done a bit of work already to get an idea of the roosters we are dealing with

Gary Brecka, 10X Health System, and a Dana White Endorsement​


I make this post in an effort to both vent and learn more about a new fad in quackery that seems to be making a push for more market share in the US. I have some questions about particular points I came across in a video online.
This pertains to 10X Health System which seems to be one of these "hack your health" systems that markets directly to wealthy individuals in the public. With a recent endorsement by UFC president, medical doctor-skeptic, and ivermectin-fan Dana White (which I suspect is part of a larger marketing push), I thought it might be interesting to look at some of this a little more closely and see if the r/medicine community can help me parse what on earth they are trying to claim and sell here. If nothing else, I will be better informed when it inevitably gets brought up by bro-science peddling relatives over the holidays.
Please lend me your aid.
Some things stood out to me in the marketing material in the above video as well as what I found on the 10X website and in looking up one of the co-founders, Gary Brecka.

(1) V-Shaped WBC Profile
While discussing White's CBC, Brecka makes the mystifying claim that the basophil, eosinophil, neutrophil, etc. breakdown on White's lab results after 5 months of the 10 X program: "line up in a perfect V shaped pattern ... this means that his immune system ... is like an iron horse". Brecka seems to be describing something about the breakdown of leukocytes but what, exactly, he is getting at remains opaque to me.
Have any of you heard of a 'V' shape to the WBC breakdown in conversation with your alternative-medicine using patients? Obviously it smacks of nonsense but what even *is* this claim? I attempted to search for anything online that might speak to this but the algorithm and my search terms failed me.

(2) Triglyceride Level and Emergency Lab Alerts
After briefly touching on improvements in BUN and Creatinine (which, frankly, doesn't mean much for an expensive health system since simple hydration can improve these numbers), Brecka points to White's triglyceride level of 764 mg/dL before treatment, stating that this triggered a "life threatening alert call from LabCorp at 1:30 in the morning because that number was so high".
Setting aside that improvements in the lipid profile would be expected with standard interventions like diet and exercise, the mention of a 1:30 AM phone-call seems like a bald faced, totally unnecessary lie. Can anyone attest to the LabCorp policy for middle-of-the-night alert calls for lipid panel abnormalities?

(3) Homocysteine and Throat Swelling
At one point in the video, Brecka states that homocysteine can cause throat swelling and that it can also cause hypertension. He points to a pre-treatment level that is barely moderately elevated and mentions that intervention reduced this into the normal range.
Again, basic diet, exercise, and nutritional supplementation can lower homocysteine levels. Set aside for a moment that homocysteine-lowering therapies do not have an established track record of reducing cardiovascular complications like MI (maybe stroke, but I digress).
What on Earth is Brecka talking about when he says homocysteine causes throat swelling? To make matters worse, White himself interjects at this point in the video to mention that CPAP machines don't work and links his improvement in Obstructive Sleep Apnea to homocysteine lowering therapy. No mention of the fact that basic weight loss is the explanation behind his resolved OSA.

(4) The Importance of Communication
A sad reflection I had on watching this video was just how poor medical communication must have been to Dana White over the years. In order for him to feel like Brecka is offering some remarkable, noteworthy solution to his problems, his physicians must have failed to impart any of these basic lessons about diet, exercise, etc. in the past.
"How about this, I had doctors doing my blood every few months... they didn't even tell me that!" -- referring here to his triglyceride levels or HbA1c.
I'm not in a rush to pity a billionaire who demonizes healthcare and tried to re-open public sporting events without adequate safety measures during the height of the pandemic -- but the fact remains that people are often taken in by charlatans when the field is left fallow by our more traditional approach to medicine. The gap or vacuum left behind is fertile ground for snake oil salespeople to fill in the gap. And the poor sucker (in this case, Dana White) is left believing that doctors are only out to suck money out of people and keep them sick.
A positive spin would be: Something as mundane as talking to someone about their pre-diabetes is immensely important and can be the difference between someone being taken in by some pseudoscience spiel or not.

(5) MTHF Gene Mutations
A gene test is available through the 10X Health Systems website. They say:
*"*44% of the world’s population has a genetic mutation that makes it challenging for them to create enough of the 5-MTHF gene…
In layman’s terms…
it’s hard for your body to work properly. This methylation cycle is a process the human body goes through that takes a raw nutrient from its “non-usable” form and converts it into something your body can actually use. This cycle is vital to detoxification, repair damage, energy, hormones and overall keeping your immune and nervous systems in proper working order…
But it’s not just about this 1 gene, there’s 5 main genes that you could have a mutation".

I found no concrete information. It is unclear to me what, if anything, they are gaining by assessing for polymorphisms in 5-methyltetrahydrofolate reductase (I presume this is what they are referring to when they mention a MTHF "gene"). I suspect they end up recommending an alternative folic acid supplement (which I'm sure they sell for a premium) even though evidence suggests people with gene variants of 5-MTHFR can still process folic acid.
Does anyone have any insights into why (if ever) one would use an alternative folic acid supplement? Or what one could learn about the MTHF gene that would influence care (aside from an increased risk of methotrexate toxicity)?

(6) Testing Insulin Levels
Brecka takes some pains to explain the various roles of insulin in the body then brings up White's insulin levels. Please tell me -- has there ever been a role for testing actual insulin levels in health (aside from unexplained hypoglycemia)?

(7) Myers' Cocktail and Osmolality
In a video available at the bottom of his own website, Brecka breaks down his IV therapy which is also listed on the 10X site. He touts improved immune function, help "detoxify those organs", and hydration.
If we set aside for one second that a bottle of water will also hydrate someone, and that he is basically selling people what many of you will know as a "banana bag" or as "Pabrinex" depending on your side of the Atlantic... Set that aside for a moment and reflect on his bass-ackwards, confused understanding of how fluid leaves the intravascular compartment and enters the tissue.
He emphasizes that the vitamins are delivered in a saline solution and that this is so that the fluid will leave the vessels and enter the tissue, and that the "toxins" will then leave the tissue and enter the vessels to be "flushed" from the system.
His abject misinformation when it comes to osmolality and fluid shifts is shockingly in its ignorance. But it sounds good to a gullible audience and, as such, has a home on Instagram.

(8) Gary Brecka himself
The company seems to have a man called Gary Brecka as their "chief human biologist". Brecka boasts a bachelors degree in biology from Frostburg State University as well as the National College of Chiropractic. That seems to be it, in terms of education.
So who the heck is this guy? The "realest guy that I've ever met in the medical field" according to Dana White. He's obviously promoting some sensible things like weight loss, diet, and exercise. His website has a short little video of him at a local supermarket talking up the importance of free range eggs, warning people about the low smoke point of olive oil in cooking, the value of berrys -- things like that. So far, so agreeable.
But then he's also selling products from $5000 to $130,000 on the basis of ... basically nothing, as far as I can tell. He's producing videos which bash established medical treatments (like CPAP for OSA) and scare monger to the public (at one stage, Dana White makes fun of people who would doubt this panacea and tells them to "stick with your doctor and good luck to you!" and Brecka snickers -- tacitly endorsing the message that people should doubt the care they get from their doctors and instead jump on the 10X Health Systems bandwagon).
Can we learn anything else about this guy?
Brecka's previous work involved using mortality prediction models to predict life expectancy for insurance companies. More specifically, he was the co-founder and CEO of Life Asset Group, LLC, a company that deals in the secondary life insurance market. What's the secondary life insurance market? Why, it is simply the "purchase [of] existing insurance policies at a discount to face value" for the eventual realization of "a profit when the insured dies and they can collect the death benefit of the policy." These are bundled and sold as multi-million dollar packages to institutional investors.
Somewhat interestingly, Brecka's name also comes up in court documents as a defendant in a 2011 case brought by Concord Capital Management (InsCap Management), in which a default judgement of almost $1 million was brought against Brecka.
He is also mentioned, tangentially, in a separate case in which a particular bank (Fifth Third Bank) brought a case against one Matthew Ross, a former bank employee. The bank alleged that this employee had colluded with InsCap Management and created fraudulent documentation used to secure premium financing loans funded by the Bank, and funding advances for life insurance policies that were never purchased. The bank's complaint against Ross also specified that he had concealed from the Bank the close affiliation between InsCap and Life Asset Group’s owner, Gary Brecka.
I'm not a lawyer, nor have I plumbed the depths of these legal cases to understand the extent of Brecka's involvement. The picture, however, is not one that fills me with confidence that Brecka's lifelong ambition has truly been the public good. Nevertheless, perhaps becoming disenchanted with the legal quagmires involved in attempting to sell life insurance policies on a secondary market for profit, Gary Brecka has since re-branded himself as a "bio hacker" and "functional medicine specialist". Life Asset Group is listed as "Inactive" on the Florida "Division of Corporations" website. By 2018, Brecka was writing articles on melatonin, sleep, vitamin D, and sunlight on LinkedIn as CEO of Streamline Medical Group. The streamlinemedicalgroup.com website now re-directs to 10X Health Systems.

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So that's it. Apologies for the uninvited rant and thank you if you stuck with me thus far. I needed to exorcise some of this.
That's what I've learned in an afternoon of looking things up after coming across the ridiculous promotional video from Brecka and White. White repeatedly ridicules the idea that he is being scammed or participating in a scam and his exclamations are so lacking in basic self-awareness, it is almost embarrassing. As if people *choose* to be scammed.
Brecka is selling the most basic of health maintenance advice as though it is revolutionary or distinct from standard medical care and he is using those basic fundamentals as a vehicle that a whole host of expensive snake oil can piggy-back on top of to make money from gullible people with money.
And as far as I am concerned, Dana White is either completely taken in by this, likely bamboozled by some fancy sounding blood work and hooked by the sprinkling of facts thrown in, or he's benefitting financially from this endorsement, or both.
 
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When someone is sharing things that are helpful that should be a positive thing and unless you have direct experience contrary it's best not to comment.

This forum is supposed to be people helping eachother and Endo has personally helped me a ton in the past.

Merry Christmas 🎅 🎄 to all
 
Jeez, I didn’t think I would have to go into that kind of detail. Again I didn’t mention NAD nor endorse it as I haven’t experienced it. With regard to 10X, is it a scam? Sure. Am I going to buy a 50k red light bed? Nope. Is Dana White a phony, sure whatever it takes for you to be ok with it. Is Gary Brecka a phony and are his protocols garbage? Sure, Paul said so. Maybe Paul could post some pics of his wellness program so we all have a benchmark to aim for. I should have known that I would have to nuance the .... out of my original post to prevent exactly what happened.

In a nutshell, my take away from the 10X program was 1 blood tests. I was routinely doing that anyhow at Lab Test Online since 2012. Genetic test. I did the 23 and Me when it first came out specifically to look at genetic anomalies I might have so I can figure a way to deal with them. Red light therapy. I’m not sold as I have done zero research on it. I have no experience with the PEMF mat but I ordered one so I cannot comment yet.,Oxygen therapy. This I have a lot of seat time with both in the military and civilian life. There is a reason wound healing is much faster in an oxygenated field. There is a reason pro athletes do high altitude training. There is a reason every pro sports team has Oxygen on the sidelines. I can say with 100% certainty that oxygen supplementation for me is a game changer.

The diet thing, yep it’s a bitch but bottom line is arterial and cardiac inflammation is going to doom most of you so I do mainly a carnivore diet, nothing to drink but water and no sugar. I take a nap sometimes two a day and when I do, it’s in the HBOT tent. I honestly don’t believe there is any hype in what I just presented as my own protocol. As it evolves and I am able to personally test new things, they may or may not find their way into that protocol.
 
Endo, do what you like but if you post what i think is quackery then Ill say something so some other person doesnt get sucked in. From what I know of you via this board you come across as intelligent, motivated, organised and goal oriented. If health was a priority no matter what program you followed you would make good choices. The point I am raising is to do with the honorable tradition of the traveling medicine show snake oil huckster plying his wares. We all know the basics or health, there is no magic bullet no matter how much money you spend. Sure you can live a bit longer with an immaculate regime- maybe... I spend a lot of time in my other sport with guys who are physically very active into their 90's and i can tell you from direct observation over many years of participation that you are pretty good in your 60's, and into your 70's if you take care. Once you get into your 80's grandfather time begins to really age you, once you hit 90 you are on borrowed time for your hips. knees, mobility etc. With wealth you can mitigate the effects but never eliminate them.

You are now at an age that is the crossroads into the slow decline from middle age to a geriatric, I am a Dylan Thomas fan;

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

until I got as old as .... his words meant nothing, now they have meaning and since Ive been around and seen they same old crap in different formats for half a century I am not stupidly following whatever fad comes down the pipes. BTW overtesting is a real problem in medicine.
 
Paul I 100% agree. To that I can say this. First, 1%,of the developed population are biohackers. Individuals who can actually see past the snake oil and developed and utilize strategies based on analytics. So to give a broad overview of human biological decline based on the what the other 99% do is of no value to anyone who wants to deviate from that. I can personally tell you that I as well as a host of people that I know have made significant, alterations to their geriatric trajectory resulting in a myriad of, to me, life changing results. So what you know and what you observe to be factual isn’t the same for me and it’s not going to be the same for someone who wants to do some very simple things to get started.

If you’re not doing genetic evaluation and engineering on yourself then there is absolutely no way to know if your particular DNA codes correctly for a certain biochemical process. You will never be able to do a proper lifestyle, nutritional or supplemental regiment without looking at your own blueprint. I seriously doubt if one single person you know in your circle has done this.

Subsequent to a genetic evaluation, you can then take that data and use comprehensive lab analysis to monitor and modify a lifestyle intervention strategy that is specifically optimized for your specific anomalies and we all have them.

So in brief, I completely agree with the snake oil assessment of these entrepreneurs. What I completely disagree with is your position on basing your geriatric assessment and protocol on what people who know nothing about human engineering are doing and accepting the results.

This is pretty much the same argument as I have had with guys on this board for years. They ride stock bikes, They don’t have the skill sets, capital, ability or resources to build the good stuff so they diminish what creative people can do to cover their own inadequacies and beat the drum of the showroom bike and how no one can build something better than the factory. I see this .... in every aspect of life, precisely why millions of “know it alls” spend their entire life’s enslaved and broke. Let’s follow what all these other idiots are doing.

In the end, do what you want but like always, I post pics, data and details of how I arrived at where I am. If you have something you want to share from your protocol, that can bolster your position, go ahead, I’m sure we would all like to see it. All I see from guys like you guys is a profile pic and a lot of jaw flapping. So Paul I challenge you, post up your lifestyle protocol based on your current regiment and some photos of the results.
 
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Bioethics 101 is that you don’t screen for what you can’t treat. Also 23&Me and other commercial DNA screening is ......... If you believe those results I have an even larger bridge to sell you. You may doubt this but just ask who oversees and verifies their results.

Biochem 101 says that just because you have a specific gene doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll get a particular disease. It’s more complex than that.

Biochem 102 says that exogenous and endogenous molecules are different in how they’re used.

I literally wrote papers on this stuff for over 10 years.
 
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