1199 doesnt start, need help!!

melvinakshay · Nov 9, 2015

So I seem to have an issue with my panigale. Long story short - I took to bike out to the store for a few mins and right after I got back - the bike wouldn't crank. It just made a clicking sound but no cranking of the motor. At first I thought it might be the battery (had to get it towed home [emoji25] not fun). After I got home I charging the battery but had the same issue. I just have a clicking sound.

Can someone help me troubleshoot it? The bike has no errors.

I'm thinking it's the relay or something electrical. I have no idea where to start though. Any pointers?

krikat · Nov 9, 2015

Try the ground. Loose ground and the bike wont start. Follow the negative from the battery and see where its connected and ensure it is tight.
Otherwise fuses. I haven't had a problem on my Pani like this but did have a Yamaha that had a loose ground and it just "clicked" when trying to start.

double0 · Nov 9, 2015

Regulator rectifier bad?

That was a known issue on my last bike 2010 Daytona 675. Left me on the side of the fwy at night almost a mile away from a fwy exit. Not fun walkin the bike that distance. Also ruined my lithium battery so I had to buy another one.

mordor · Nov 10, 2015

Sounds a bit similar to my starting issues earlier this year, where they ended up changing the starter itself. Since then it has been fine. I assume you have checked the fuses and cables to the starter engine?

You can read my symptoms here: http://ducati1299.com/ducati-1199/21774-weird-starting-issue.html

rpm429 · Nov 10, 2015

Check battery cable tightness first. if you can move the cables on the terminals with your hands then they are too loose. Tighten them then use a volt meter to measure the battery voltage when you push the start button. (Measure directly on the batter terminals) How low does the voltage drop? the battery could have a weak cell that would make the battery show good OCV but crap out when a load is applied. Start there first. A battery should drop in voltage due to load from the starter but should stay ~above 10.0 volts.
If the battery voltage does not drop at all (from ~12.6) then I would suspect something in the starter circuit. Possible a bad relay not making contact to give voltage to the starter or a Bad ground.

melvinakshay · Mar 17, 2016

How do you check the starter ?

Battery, fuse, ground is okay. The voltage was 12.6 and goes down to about 12.2 when trying to start. All i hear is the clicking sound.

Buliwyf · Mar 18, 2016

Check voltage at the starter, then check for 12v at the starter relay S terminal, if it has one.

melvinakshay · Mar 18, 2016

Buliwyf said:
Check voltage at the starter, then check for 12v at the starter relay S terminal, if it has one.

Where is the starter located at ? And where do I check the voltage at ?

melvinakshay · Mar 18, 2016

Okay I found the starter motor and verified that there was 12V going to it. Is there a way to check the starter motor before I replace it ?

jyli19 · Mar 18, 2016

For get dead or dying starter to spin up on a car, i would use a hammer and tap the starter motor to loosen up the clutch. Not saying you should do it on the motorcycle.

SOULRIDER · Mar 18, 2016

melvinakshay said:
Okay I found the starter motor and verified that there was 12V going to it. Is there a way to check the starter motor before I replace it ?

On the original Panigales in 2012 starters were known to go from time to time. I believe Ducati updated the part number after the release.

melvinakshay · Mar 18, 2016

hmm I think i'll replace the starter relay. It doesnt seem like the starter motor is even trying to spin/crank.

Okay stupid question - how do you check the relay ?

sean999r · Mar 18, 2016

Worked on a Monster just couple weeks ago exact same symptoms, jump relay with bolt or screwdriver ETC, the Monster in question same just barely turned the engine. Replaced the Starter & replay bingo 100% on the button, prior to jumping the relay I confirmed just for safety sake & piece of mind that the engine freely turns over with the rotation service tool,
Then " bump started " bike to confirm the bike will actually start, then Relay jump

melvinakshay · Mar 26, 2016

sean999r said:
Worked on a Monster just couple weeks ago exact same symptoms, jump relay with bolt or screwdriver ETC, the Monster in question same just barely turned the engine. Replaced the Starter & replay bingo 100% on the button, prior to jumping the relay I confirmed just for safety sake & piece of mind that the engine freely turns over with the rotation service tool,
Then " bump started " bike to confirm the bike will actually start, then Relay jump

when you guys keep saying starter do you mean the starter motor ??

I just replaced the starter relay and the bike does the same thing. I verified that 12.4V go over to the motor.

Would this mean the issue is with the starter motor ???

sean999r · Mar 26, 2016

Yes " Starter Motor " your symptom sounds the same as the Monster, I'm not sure if the Panigale is the same mounting system as the Monster, but if it is you will need to remove generator cover to access a couple of fasteners to remove it, so you may need Gen' cover gasket / O ring

That's why I originally said about using a screw driver to jump the terminals of the Relay, I know it sound crude but this trick is old as the hills. Jumping the Term' of the relay would make the starter engage & work if the Relay was the problem.

melvinakshay · Mar 27, 2016

sean999r said:
Yes " Starter Motor " your symptom sounds the same as the Monster, I'm not sure if the Panigale is the same mounting system as the Monster, but if it is you will need to remove generator cover to access a couple of fasteners to remove it, so you may need Gen' cover gasket / O ring

That's why I originally said about using a screw driver to jump the terminals of the Relay, I know it sound crude but this trick is old as the hills. Jumping the Term' of the relay would make the starter engage & work if the Relay was the problem.

Checked and verified using a 12v supply.. the starter motor doesn't work. Looking at it - I think this is going to be a major pain to replace. Do I have to take the crank cover off to remove it ? Do I have to change the oil ? I'm due for an oil change either way but I really want to change it after I fix this issue.

imbloodyskintagain · Mar 27, 2016

melvinakshay said:
Checked and verified using a 12v supply.. the starter motor doesn't work. Looking at it - I think this is going to be a major pain to replace. Do I have to take the crank cover off to remove it ? Do I have to change the oil ? I'm due for an oil change either way but I really want to change it after I fix this issue.

sean999r · Mar 27, 2016

I'm pretty sure you are going to need to remove Generator cover / drain oil, starter has 3 mounting bolts centered around starter drive gear + 2 end bolts.

franswa1982 · Mar 28, 2016

You can probably save your self a lot of money by replacing just the brush plate and seals, and cleaning the armature. Obviously I haven't had to do this on my 1199, but I "rebuilt" my 749 starter twice. If your handy enough to get the motor out, you might as well open it up, and clean it and try and reuse it. A little digging on Google with the Denso (or who ever makes the starter) manufacturer part number will likely lead you to a pre-assembled brush plate and seal kit. I know on my 749 oil would get into the starter and cook, as well as the brushes wearing. A $15 brush kit was all it needed. A new seal, new brushes and you basically have a new starter. Just note the orientation of the brush plate or your starter motor might spin backwards. It's very easy.

imbloodyskintagain · Mar 28, 2016

This ended auction has great close up images of starter motor and as you can see it appears to be held in place by 2 bolts only and the splined shaft just locates into/onto the main starter gear.

Ducati Complete Starter Motor 27040134A 1199 and 899 Panigale | eBay

Just spent bit time searching for a good pic on google and this one shows ya perfectly what your dealing with, no need to be removing covers and dropping oil

I Have circled the starter motors gear/spline were it connects to the Large starter gear

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