1299: How do you operate the blipper correctly?

python4933 · Mar 25, 2015

Good even ending all,

As I'm currently waiting to take delivery of my 1299, I started wondering how to correctly operate the downshifter.

Do you still have to close the throttle during downshifts when using the blipper, or can you simply downshift while still keeping the throttle open?

What would be the correct way? I tried taking a look at the 1299 manual which you can download from the Ducati website, but somehow I can't seem to find a word on the downshifter.

jarelj · Mar 25, 2015

Close throttle, apply brakes (optional), and press the shifter down, that's it!

python4933 · Mar 25, 2015

So you definetely have to close the throttle?

jarelj · Mar 25, 2015

python4933 said:
So you definetely have to close the throttle?

Yes. I can't think of a scenario where you'd want to be on the throttle and have the system synthetically generate a throttle blip above the point you're currently holding the throttle at.

ghostdog6 · Mar 25, 2015

Why would you ever want the throttle open if you're slowing down?

Duck41 · Mar 25, 2015

Downshifting while increasing acceleration can be a common occurrence when street riding. For example, when overtaking another vehicle, a rider may opt to downshift in order to quickly transition from a cruising RPM to a meatier range of the power band. I would imagine Ducati's blipper functionality could handle downshifts while maintaining or opening the throttle, so long as the downshift blip does not exceed the RPM redline.

Xbox · Mar 26, 2015

Duck41 said:
Downshifting while increasing acceleration can be a common occurrence when street riding. For example, when overtaking another vehicle, a rider may opt to downshift in order to quickly transition from a cruising RPM to a meatier range of the power band. I would imagine Ducati's blipper functionality could handle downshifts while maintaining or opening the throttle, so long as the downshift blip does not exceed the RPM redline.

Yes, but in that scenario, you would either:

1) roll off, clutch, shift at lower revs

or

2) roll off, clutch, blip, shift at high revs

You would never pull the clutch with constant throttle

Blipper is a skill-substitution for the 2nd scenario

bradp51 · Mar 26, 2015

python4933 said:
Good even ending all,

As I'm currently waiting to take delivery of my 1299, I started wondering how to correctly operate the downshifter.

Do you still have to close the throttle during downshifts when using the blipper, or can you simply downshift while still keeping the throttle open?

What would be the correct way? I tried taking a look at the 1299 manual which you can download from the Ducati website, but somehow I can't seem to find a word on the downshifter.

Are you sure you are buying the right bike ?

TJ99 · Mar 26, 2015

You do need to close the throttle to activate the auto blipper for downshifting.

jarelj · Mar 26, 2015

Duck41 said:
Downshifting while increasing acceleration can be a common occurrence when street riding. For example, when overtaking another vehicle, a rider may opt to downshift in order to quickly transition from a cruising RPM to a meatier range of the power band. I would imagine Ducati's blipper functionality could handle downshifts while maintaining or opening the throttle, so long as the downshift blip does not exceed the RPM redline.

Yes, but that doesn't mean you would want to have the throttle blipped up in that scenario without having the clutch pulled in! Think about it for a minute, and I'm sure it will come to you......

Duck41 · Mar 26, 2015

Xbox said:
Yes, but in that scenario, you would either:

1) roll off, clutch, shift at lower revs

or

2) roll off, clutch, blip, shift at high revs

You would never pull the clutch with constant throttle

Blipper is a skill-substitution for the 2nd scenario

jarelj said:
Yes, but that doesn't mean you would want to have the throttle blipped up in that scenario without having the clutch pulled in! Think about it for a minute, and I'm sure it will come to you......

I suppose I envisioned this working similarly to a car with paddle shifters in which a vehicle can be upshifted or downshifted at will, regardless of throttle/pedal position and without being required to roll off (except for scenarios that would force and engine to surpass RPM redline). A rev-matching "blip" naturally wouldn't be required in an acceleration situation, but it would be advantageous to have the option for seamless, clutchless downshifts in this application.

Stw · Mar 26, 2015

Duck41 said:
I suppose I envisioned this working similarly to a car with paddle shifters in which a vehicle can be upshifted or downshifted at will, regardless of throttle/pedal position and without being required to roll off (except for scenarios that would force and engine to surpass RPM redline). A rev-matching "blip" naturally wouldn't be required in an acceleration situation, but it would be advantageous to have the option for seamless, clutchless downshifts in this application.

Quickshifter will work as you describe...no need for a blip...Cars dont blip....

80shilling · Mar 26, 2015

Duck41 said:
I suppose I envisioned this working similarly to a car with paddle shifters in which a vehicle can be upshifted or downshifted at will, regardless of throttle/pedal position and without being required to roll off (except for scenarios that would force and engine to surpass RPM redline). A rev-matching "blip" naturally wouldn't be required in an acceleration situation, but it would be advantageous to have the option for seamless, clutchless downshifts in this application.

With the way the Motorcycle manufacturers are embracing technology, I think we'll see seamless shifting, both up and down pretty soon.

Cheers.

Xbox · Mar 26, 2015

Stw said:
Quickshifter will work as you describe...no need for a blip...Cars dont blip....

Porsche PDK blips

Duck41 · Mar 26, 2015

Xbox said:
Porsche PDK blips

Correct. Conventional automatics do not require blipping since the torque converter can smooth out downshifts; however, direct sequential and dual-clutch transmissions often do utilize auto-rev matching functionality.

Since we’re dealing with a manual transmission that is essentially taking on automatic transmission characteristics, I imagine downshift rev-matching under any scenario would be supported –not just when the throttle is completely closed. If the blipper is enabled only when the throttle is completely closed as some have confirmed, then this would imply the throttle should be completely closed in an acceleration downshift scenario, which seems counter-intuitive.

slow jamz · Mar 26, 2015

When I read a review on the 1299 it explicitly stated " you can change gears with out letting off the throttle"..

Maybe Ducati would frown upon you operating it this way..but the person doing the review seemed quite fine with doing it.

Stw · Mar 26, 2015

slow jamz said:
When I read a review on the 1299 it explicitly stated " you can change gears with out letting off the throttle"..

Maybe Ducati would frown upon you operating it this way..but the person doing the review seemed quite fine with doing it.

That's the point of the DQS..But that's what being debated....

Duck41 · Mar 26, 2015

slow jamz said:
When I read a review on the 1299 it explicitly stated " you can change gears with out letting off the throttle"..

Maybe Ducati would frown upon you operating it this way..but the person doing the review seemed quite fine with doing it.

This particular magazine statement may have been in reference to upshifts. Motorcycle-usa reported that sensors mounted on both the shift drum and throttle are used to determine when auto-blip is enabled. If true, this would lend credence to the assumption that quick-shift will not function seamlessly in a kick-down, acceleration scenario. If this is the case, it seems possible that a rider could mistakenly assume quick-shift accounts for this scenario and force a power downshift, which of course would subject the transmission to much higher stresses than those which would be produced from a traditional downshift.

Steveo · Mar 29, 2015

How about upshifts with this auto upshift system? (Not asking about blipper function)
Say starting in neutral, then can you just go in to first with no clutch/throttle and ride of with throttle?
Or is it normal clutch in, change into first, throttle/letting out clutch for starting from neutral into first?

Hope this makes sense

jarelj · Mar 29, 2015

You still use the clutch from a stop.

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