1299 Ohlins Semi-Active suspension vs BMW's?
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Nope, never said it would be terrible, just that it wasn't as capable as a solenoid-based or other more advanced system.
You don't need ES on a trackbike; it's just not a complex enough environment to need the adaptability. The road is where the value is, and if you're looking at a Ducati then yes, the S is the way to go. For tracking you could buy a base and some aftermarket bits and probably end up better for pure pace, but it wouldn't be nearly as flexible a bike.
The S suspension and that on the R1M can be looked at as equal, save for how the two companies tune their installation (and that would be the same for non-ES bikes with same model Ohlins at both ends). And that last bit is simply an unknown variable at this time. Time will tell of course, but I expect the BMW will likely have the best suspension of the lot for all-around use.
What turns out to be the best all-around machine is a much more complex question and one that can have multiple answers.
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My dealer has one on deposit for me already. I dropped the deposit on it also to avoid that conflict.
Sounds like me..LOL I put my deposit down on the R1-M with troy city garage Back in early November, they are only getting 1.. Then last week I put a deposit down on the 1299 S with Cyclewise Ducati in Vermont.. I may end up with both and a pissed off wife!!! I am loving all the suspension talk, I always just bought after market Ohlins and had it set up for me on the track...
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From this video it looks like you can only choose between presets when in active mode.
http://youtu.be/uZ150UhSaBg
Interesting, I've been wondering how much input you could make into the Dynamic setting. Out of interest, anyone know what the '+\- SETTING' is in the menu.
Another question springs to mind, does the Dynamic suspension know if you have flat or progressive selected with the rear linkage?
Another question springs to mind, does the Dynamic suspension know if you have flat or progressive selected with the rear linkage?
That IS interesting. Looks like all you can do in dynamic is choose two levels either way of your default settings, which I guess you set with it in fixed mode.
If memory serves, Ohlins Mechatronic had an adjustment range of something like +/- six clicks. From that video, it looks like you can't set the harder/hardest/softer/softest settings yourself. Unless of course that's what the +/- setting is for; maybe that's where you would say go +3 for harder and +6 for hardest, or whatever. We'll see!
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The 2015r doesn't have the semi active suspension like the 2015s.
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the bmw suspenstion is fully active. it takes a reading of everything including road condition. it does it every i believe 100th of a second and adjusts. that being said it is amazing on the street.
on the track even though i won't put my hp4 on the track i hear its not that great because nothing is constant.
the 1199s/r has electronic suspension. all you can do is adjust it on the fly or while parked and it stays in that setting. it is electronic because you don't need tools to do it.
i have no idea about the 1299 as the bike doesn't interest me in the least.
as for the 1199 s/r suspension vs the hp4 suspension well i can say as i have both bikes bmw is far and away better for street riding.
on the track even though i won't put my hp4 on the track i hear its not that great because nothing is constant.
the 1199s/r has electronic suspension. all you can do is adjust it on the fly or while parked and it stays in that setting. it is electronic because you don't need tools to do it.
i have no idea about the 1299 as the bike doesn't interest me in the least.
as for the 1199 s/r suspension vs the hp4 suspension well i can say as i have both bikes bmw is far and away better for street riding.
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almost forgot bmw once again cheaper and better good try though by ducati. in all seriousness though if you are a track rider only you aren't going to stay with stock suspension anyway. most likely an ohlins ttx and road and track forks or something of that nature. maybe a bitubo what have you.
a base 1299 or 1199 i don't really know if there is a base 1299 like the 1199 you can get a way better suspension than the junk on the 1199s and your bike would be cheaper and better than the 1199s/r. again no clue what you are getting with the 1299 as i don't care.
in all seriousness though if you are a track rider only you aren't going to stay with stock suspension anyway. most likely an ohlins ttx and road and track forks or something of that nature. maybe a bitubo what have you. a base 1299 or 1199 i don't really know if there is a base 1299 like the 1199 you can get a way better suspension than the junk on the 1199s and your bike would be cheaper and better than the 1199s/r. again no clue what you are getting with the 1299 as i don't care.
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don't be butthurt that the system on the bmw is better and is 3 years old now. ducati could have put a better system on their NEW bike but didn't but hey pay up the new r is only 35k now. while the r1m is 21k and the bmw is about 20 so is the aprillia not to mention the ninja so what will the excuses be this year when the r finishes 5th ? oh yea i know the excuses mag review means nothing, the bike is so pretty rather have a supermodel, world super bike doesn't matter its super stock blah blah blah.
enjoy the big game 53 more days to motogp can't wait to hear rossi is back again although he did get lucky last year that lorenzo messed up the first half and well pedrosa is a bum.
enjoy the big game 53 more days to motogp can't wait to hear rossi is back again although he did get lucky last year that lorenzo messed up the first half and well pedrosa is a bum.
Also useful here to remember that Ducati DO use a solenoid-based system like BMW, just chose not to put it on the Panigale. The Skyhook system that's been on the Multistrada for some time is just that, and is made by Sachs, as on the BMW.
What they've done here is make a choice to go with Ohlins on the upmarket Panigale models for the cache' and performance the brand brings, and the Ohlins solution is a more track-focused one. Not going to give the magic carpet ride over crummy roads that the Sachs system can, but will likely be a better choice on track.
What they've done here is make a choice to go with Ohlins on the upmarket Panigale models for the cache' and performance the brand brings, and the Ohlins solution is a more track-focused one. Not going to give the magic carpet ride over crummy roads that the Sachs system can, but will likely be a better choice on track.
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I think having more compression damping support in the front to support hard braking, then softer all-around for the best compliance, grip and feel mid-corner, and then more compression damping support in the rear to support hard acceleration on the exit is pretty much the holy grail for track suspension. It's what Ohlins was developing for MotoGP before the technology was banned, and it was banned because of how much faster the bikes were going to go and how much more expensive they would be if they let that technology mature.
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maybe early 80's GPz 750? i know '85 600R ninja had one...
it was all high-tech... more than bmw... heh heh
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I think almost all the manufactures tried some variation of anti-dive forks in the 80's, but if I remember right, it was Suzuki that had one that used a hydralic system based off the brakes right?
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