1299SL Akra "race" exhaust ????????

Let me see if I have this correct. Your bike is going to ship with a standard Akra kit and then your going to get the WSBK "looking" kit in a box? Is this accurate? Does this "SBK" exhaust have emission components or is this strictly for "off road" use. I ask because I cannot imagine anyone who buys one of them is not going to install the "SBK" exhaust or have it installed. If it is track only, what then? You cant legally ride it on the street if the pipe is not emission compliant and Im not sure how the dealers are supposed to handle the install knowing its not a "track only" bike. I do not see swapping an exhaust for a track day. What am I missing besides "screw the emission laws" which i fully support. Or is the extra pipe EPA compliant? Thanks

Not EPA compliant. Same thing they did with the R's previously. Just cooler looking. The extra exhaust is "off road use only"

I see. Well that makes perfect sense. So the 1299SL is a track bike only after the buyer takes delivery and installs the exhaust and your dealer at lest here in CA is in violation of the law doing the conversion on a bike that will see highway use. Sounds well thought out.

endodoc said:

I see. Well that makes perfect sense. So the 1299SL is a track bike only after the buyer takes delivery and installs the exhaust and your dealer at lest here in CA is in violation of the law doing the conversion on a bike that will see highway use. Sounds well thought out.

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or it becomes track only if your dealer installs the new pipe, and they deny every warranty claim you want to make in the future bc now it's a track bike....they've definitely thought this out well!

I must admit I do not see the big deal about the race only pipe. If an owner puts it on he takes a risk as to whether he gets caught riding it on the street.

I have a Akra Evo system on my bike which I know is not street legal. Been stopped a couple of times and never had a problem.

I keep the DB killers in my system. I try not to attract attention on the road and ride accordingly. I save the hard riding for track days.

I'm sure there are a few street SL's out there, but every SL I've encountered is track only anyway. Hell, I know one that stays at Ducati Austin full time. They truck it out for the owner on COTA track days. That's the only time it gets used. Then brought back and serviced at the dealership.

endodoc said:

I see. Well that makes perfect sense. So the 1299SL is a track bike only after the buyer takes delivery and installs the exhaust and your dealer at lest here in CA is in violation of the law doing the conversion on a bike that will see highway use. Sounds well thought out.

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This is no different than what they have been historically doing with the Termignoni RACE exhaust on all Ducati models including the Monster, etc. This didn't just appear out of thin air. My dealer removed the charcoal canister and forgot to put it back on after my first service when I inquired about it.

This is really getting old.

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endodoc said:

I see. Well that makes perfect sense. So the 1299SL is a track bike only after the buyer takes delivery and installs the exhaust and your dealer at lest here in CA is in violation of the law doing the conversion on a bike that will see highway use. Sounds well thought out.

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Ducati have been doing this for years,so tell me whats the solution as it seems to work.

Sinjin, I am obviously not an exhaust and emission expert as it relates to the Ducati brand so I posted to get an idea of the protocol. Sorry if this is old and repetitive for you. I was trying to make sense out of something that makes little sense. With regard to the dealer removing emission components and servicing bikes with augmented exhaust/emission, I think your going to see some changes especially with Ducati under the whole Volkswagen Group debacle. I am surprised at this model. You get caught with no front blinkers or mirrors SoCal and you get a fix it ticket. You get caught with emission data stickers on your frame and missing emission components and Law Enforcement can legally impound your bike. You implicate your dealer in the modification and watch what happens.

The thing that makes even less sense is that, here in the U.K. my 'race use only' full Ti Ackropovic system is way too loud for db limits at any uk trackday. And, of course not road legal.

endodoc said:

Sinjin, I am obviously not an exhaust and emission expert as it relates to the Ducati brand so I posted to get an idea of the protocol. Sorry if this is old and repetitive for you. I was trying to make sense out of something that makes little sense. With regard to the dealer removing emission components and servicing bikes with augmented exhaust/emission, I think your going to see some changes especially with Ducati under the whole Volkswagen Group debacle. I am surprised at this model. You get caught with no front blinkers or mirrors SoCal and you get a fix it ticket. You get caught with emission data stickers on your frame and missing emission components and Law Enforcement can legally impound your bike. You implicate your dealer in the modification and watch what happens.

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Cali dealers are walking a thin line for sure. I thought it was one of the big Aprilia dealers down there that got nailed for this, and now refuses to install pipes or race mapping. I'm going entirely off memory, but I swear I saw one of the exotic dealers getting in trouble in the past 18 months or so. I know Amuari Nunez has been harping on it lately.

gotta wonder what the harley guys do as most run straight pipes that are a bit obnoxious

reganc said:

gotta wonder what the harley guys do as most run straight pipes that are a bit obnoxious

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I think it's just Cali that is actually threatening enforcement of the issue.

shakazulu12 said:

I think it's just Cali that is actually threatening enforcement of the issue.

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yea i know but California has probably the most bikers in the US.

reganc said:

gotta wonder what the harley guys do as most run straight pipes that are a bit obnoxious

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Most Cops totally ignore the open pipes Harley crowd.

A few years ago, I rode my Triumph Daytona with a race pipe on it to the Moto GP at Laguna; got pulled over by a CHP Motorcycle Cop. He cited me for a loud pipe - as he was writing me the ticket, about 15 Harleys with open pipes blast by us, he had to put both his hands over his ears they were so freaking loud; literally 3 times as loud as my bike was.

I asked him why he didn;t get on his bike and chase them down since he was obviously deafened by them, like I was.. His response was that he had been told to target sport bikes only. 100% true story and made me so freaking mad.

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Sinjin, I am obviously not an exhaust and emission expert as it relates to the Ducati brand so I posted to get an idea of the protocol. Sorry if this is old and repetitive for you. I was trying to make sense out of something that makes little sense. With regard to the dealer removing emission components and servicing bikes with augmented exhaust/emission, I think your going to see some changes especially with Ducati under the whole Volkswagen Group debacle. I am surprised at this model. You get caught with no front blinkers or mirrors SoCal and you get a fix it ticket. You get caught with emission data stickers on your frame and missing emission components and Law Enforcement can legally impound your bike. You implicate your dealer in the modification and watch what happens.

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I can respect that someone may not be knowledgable in all areas of Ducati and choose to seek out information on this forum; if you were to post and phrase the observation as just a question, I think everyone would be receptive to that.

However, what is getting old and repetitive is the consistent belittling of this SL model and how the package is being presented.

We get that you can build bikes... perhaps better bikes at a lower cost, even. But the constant aggressive criticism and new posts attacking each perspective of this edition is no longer fresh.

The fact that Ducati sell the bike and meet the emissions restrictions and then make it easy for the owner to modify the exhaust IS well thought out in my opinion. On my RR, it is as most other bikes and the cats can only be removed by installing a full system. Instead, the Termignoni, Akrapovic, etc. slipons, albeit expensive upgrades, allow you to make this modification and they will include an upmap without necessarily sacrificing the warranty, which is another abandoned post of yours.

If you want the race maps unlocked on the S1000RR, you must not only purchase the exhaust, but pay an additional $500 plus installation for the dealer to apply the code and it will only be performed if you sign a waiver relinquishing your warranty coverage.

Ducati determine this on a case by case basis. I have not heard of a case where DNA have denied an engine related claim strictly on the basis of an upgraded Akrapovic exhaust with a Ducati race map.

Informative post. Not sure where I was bashing the 1299SL. I used that bike as an example strictly on the basis that the "race" exhaust is 1, a major focal point in the marketing 2, there isn't to my knowledge a "street" version of that exhaust and 3, the exhaust is very noticeably different than anything "street legal" from Ducati where the current Akra and Termi systems could easily visually pass for OEM. Not bashing anything just an observation.

endodoc said:

Sinjin, I am obviously not an exhaust and emission expert as it relates to the Ducati brand so I posted to get an idea of the protocol. Sorry if this is old and repetitive for you. I was trying to make sense out of something that makes little sense. With regard to the dealer removing emission components and servicing bikes with augmented exhaust/emission, I think your going to see some changes especially with Ducati under the whole Volkswagen Group debacle. I am surprised at this model. You get caught with no front blinkers or mirrors SoCal and you get a fix it ticket. You get caught with emission data stickers on your frame and missing emission components and Law Enforcement can legally impound your bike. You implicate your dealer in the modification and watch what happens.

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How many people do you know that have had their car or motorcycle impounded for having a race exhaust installed?

Be real dude. Dealers know what they are doing and they don't care. Nobody cares what exhaust you have on your bike. "Off road use only" warnings are for manufacture liability protection. CA is probably the only state in the US that might present unique challenges.

Some "illegal" actions are more illegal than others. If this is a legitimate concern for anyone that can afford this bike, their head is in the wrong place.

....Ducati has had "off road use only" exhaust systems for decades now...enforcement of EPA laws has been mostly lax except maybe California....with the new govt administration entering soon, EPA funding looks to be on the chopping block which will give the EPA more important things to think about ahead of Motorcycle exhausts (at least we can hope so)

Personally, each and every duc I've ever owned has had an aftermarket exhaust (Termignoni & most recently Akrapovic) - never once has the system ever been an issue, or drawn attention from anyone except maybe the home owners whose home you just tip-toed by (maybe a car alarm or 2 or 3)

"db killer...?....what are those"...?