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I'm still wanting a review for the 2015 R. It seems that Ducati are waiting so that the 1299 and the R can't be put side by side. Even on their own website it won't allow you to use the 'compare' feature for those two bikes!
The 2015 R has got to be something massively special to put down the 1299 S. But how?! Is it really going to be that much better?
I have the 2015 R on order but I'm sh*tting my pants as I may have made the wrong choice!?!
Buy the 1299 base, uprate the suspension, full Akra/power commander, over 205 bhp, more torque (as standard!) and leave the R standing, still for less cash?!?!
More to the point, are Ducati planning a 1299 R anyway (not to replace the 1199 R for WSBK reasons) as an addition to the range?
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On a desktop, not phone or iPad, go to ducati.com -> Panigale -> discover it. One of the tabs allows you to look at all three models side by side by side.
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I'm still wanting a review for the 2015 R. It seems that Ducati are waiting so that the 1299 and the R can't be put side by side. Even on their own website it won't allow you to use the 'compare' feature for those two bikes!
The 2015 R has got to be something massively special to put down the 1299 S. But how?! Is it really going to be that much better?
I have the 2015 R on order but I'm sh*tting my pants as I may have made the wrong choice!?!
Buy the 1299 base, uprate the suspension, full Akra/power commander, over 205 bhp, more torque (as standard!) and leave the R standing, still for less cash?!?!
More to the point, are Ducati planning a 1299 R anyway (not to replace the 1199 R for WSBK reasons) as an addition to the range?
Don't bust out a pair of Depends just yet.....either bike is going to be great, the most meaningful difference in riding the bikes would be the massive difference in the torque curve...the S will be immediate by comparison to the R (which has got a great torque curve in itself) but the S is simply instant torque in the lower rpm range.....nice to have track or street....the R, well.....have fun doing your homework on it.....
Isn't it great having choices ?
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I'm still wanting a review for the 2015 R. It seems that Ducati are waiting so that the 1299 and the R can't be put side by side. Even on their own website it won't allow you to use the 'compare' feature for those two bikes!
The 2015 R has got to be something massively special to put down the 1299 S. But how?! Is it really going to be that much better?
I have the 2015 R on order but I'm sh*tting my pants as I may have made the wrong choice!?!
Buy the 1299 base, uprate the suspension, full Akra/power commander, over 205 bhp, more torque (as standard!) and leave the R standing, still for less cash?!?!
More to the point, are Ducati planning a 1299 R anyway (not to replace the 1199 R for WSBK reasons) as an addition to the range?
1) What immediately stands out is the compression ratio 13.2:1 for the R and 12.6:1 for the base/S - Advantage R
2) Weight 406 lbs wet for the R and 420 lbs wet for the S/base Advantage R
3) Torque 100.5 ft-lbs @ 10,250 RPM's for the R and 106 Ft-lbs @ 8,750 RPMs advantage R (even though the S/base has more torque you really don't want your max torque to come on too early in the rev range).
4) R- $33,995 USD, S $24,995, Base $19,295
As it stands out the door performance wise the R is the better bike due to the compression ratio, weight, and proper torque placement in the rev range. if you like to tinker and do Mods. You can easily turn a base into a superior bike with less money than an R with higher compression pistons new cam , aftermarket Ohlins and light wheels. I think the R is basically tapped out in performance before you have to start using race gas all the time. For the base/S there is a lot of room for improvement to make one hell of a bike. I would do it all over again with a base model because I know with $14,700 to spend the way I want it, I can easily have a superior bike than the R with a base.
Warning! it will be very expensive to try and drop 16 lbs off the bike.
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"3) Torque 100.5 ft-lbs @ 10,250 RPM's for the R and 106 Ft-lbs @ 8,750 RPMs advantage R (even though the S/base has more torque you really don't want your max torque to come on too early in the rev range)."
Scrapper...I am intrigued as to why you say this???
Scrapper...I am intrigued as to why you say this???
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For a street bike like the S and Base its Ok because you are in the lower and mid ranges. For the track/racing you want to be able to pull hard down the straights at top speeds. For mid corner and corner exits you can easily be down a gear to get the torque you need but in 6th gear down a straight you want the torque up high. My rationale in the previous post for performance was assuming racing/track.
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Not that much more really, Li-ion battery and the full Ti Akra and you're almost there. Plus the Akra will then tip your bhp over 205 bhp and over that of the R.
This is what I'm worried about, I've ordered the R and I'm now wondering if I'm right?!
I guess, bottom line, I had the 2014 R, the 2015 R will be streets ahead of it so I have to be happy with that.
Just don't like the idea of being upstaged by a lesser model when I've paid premium for the R.
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To make things even more interesting, according to Ducati's website, the R is only 14 lbs. lighter than the S!
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I don't think that any model owner will be disappointed!
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On the street the 1299S will be better than the R. Then you make a stop at Starbucks...
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To drop 14 lbs is really hard to do without spending a lot of money. Trust me I did it to my base 1199 which is 396 lbs wet 100% full tank and its very expensive to do if you pay retail price. The cheapest biggest savings is the battery retail @ $165 saves about 4 lbs but I heard the 1299 comes with Li batteries?? I may be confused with the SL not sure about that one.
But after that, the exhaust is the next biggest weight savings (5-7 lbs) at $4K, CF Gas Tank $3K (4lbs) , wheels (3 lbs savings to the forge Al wheels a lot more to the Cast wheels) at $3-4K, DID chain sprocket and carrier group (2 lbs), CF fairings $4K (2 lbs). After that every thing else in nickel and dime in ounces in savings. Of course you can get the Magnesium Air Box @ $5K, Mag Triple for $1200. Remove the ABS saves about 10 lbs.
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I have taken quite a bit of weight of my 1199S. Even the MWR filter saved weight. But I am too scared to add up all the money I have burned to get there.
Would love some spare change to buy an R as a track bike.
Would love some spare change to buy an R as a track bike.
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I think you're right, maybe worrying about nothing. The R will awesome I'm sure, just been second guessing myself about it is all.
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I believe the 'R is the only Pani coming with the Li Ion battery.
You're right about shedding the weight. It's something that gets expensive very quickly! I have my 'R down to 414 pounds wet, full fuel. You have to want it bad to get below 400!
But back to the thread theme, I believe there will be zero buyers' remorse on the 15 'R. While it's true that the HP numbers are the same with the 1299, the 1299 is doing it the old fashioned way with larger, heavier power plant. This 'R is making 2 bills @ 1198cc with high compression, ti valves, compact crankshaft, aluminum cylinders, and a light flywheel. It is fun to try to manage the power that this engine produces on the racetrack. The hit makes you understand why the bike comes with wheelie control because it's constantly clawing at the sky!
IMO, the one thing that intrigues me with the S is the electronic suspension leveraging the on-board IMU. This tech has the potential to work very well if the software is written correctly. I want to ride one on the track and see how it works...
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