2016 Price Increase

16k hell I'll give u 17. That's 8k difference. 22k for m 35 for r that's 13 ok forget out the door and all that let's talk retail

Way off topic guys. This isn't the R1 forum, this is the 1299 forum, let's not act like squids.

I haven't seen any news on the 2016, are there any differences?

Mark,

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MSRP base for base, there isn't that much difference between the Panigale and the R1 (or ZX10 or BMW, and probably the new Gixxer also).

There is "only" about a 3k difference. And that is close enough that if somebody was already going to spend $16k, they could think "we'll ...., I might as well get a Ducati". Which is exactly why you are seeing them flooding the market.

And the reason for that price difference (or lack thereof) is because the Jap bikes have improved drastically over the past 3-5 years...and their price has increased accordingly.

You used to could get a new Liter bike for $10k. Those days are gone. But with that being said, there used to be a pretty good performance and technology difference between Ducati Superbikes and Jap Superbikes, and those days are gone also. Somebody can lap the track just as fast, if not faster, on a base R1 or ZX10 as they can on a Panigale R.

You can still get Japanese liter bikes for around 11-12k. Black Friday sales have 2015 gsxr750 listed at only 9k and 8k for 600s. Even still, I'd get an RSV4 over any one of the Japanese bikes.

Chaotic said:

There is "only" about a 3k difference. And that is close enough that if somebody was already going to spend $16k, they could think "we'll ...., I might as well get a Ducati". Which is exactly why you are seeing them flooding the market.


You used to could get a new Liter bike for $10k. Those days are gone. But with that being said, there used to be a pretty good performance and technology difference between Ducati Superbikes and Jap Superbikes, and those days are gone also. Somebody can lap the track just as fast, if not faster, on a base R1 or ZX10 as they can on a Panigale R.

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The 3K difference was the exact reason I ended up with a 1299 vs a new R1.

The service manager at a Yamaha shop I wrenched at part time years ago had a saying...."A new superbike will generally cost about the same as a new entry level car".

Most lower end cars are right at 16-20K. A Toyota Yaris lists at 16.4K.

As a last point on pricing....a new superbike is about the same percentage of my yearly income today as it was in 1993 when I bought my last new bike.

Heck,I'll argue that the bikes available today are a much better value than what was available just 10 short years ago....

double0 said:

You can still get Japanese liter bikes for around 11-12k. Black Friday sales have 2015 gsxr750 listed at only 9k and 8k for 600s. Even still, I'd get an RSV4 over any one of the Japanese bikes.

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No you cant.

R1 = 16490.
ZX10 = 15590.
S1000RR = 16795.
CBR 1000RR = 13499.
GSX-R1000 = 13899.

I'm not talking about 600s or 750s. I'm not talking about Black Friday deals, "my brother is the owner" deals or anything else. I said base-for-base MSRP, Jap bikes (and BMW) vs the Panigale. And those are 2015 prices, I'm sure the new Gixxer and ZX10 will be more expensive.

The Jap bikes have increased in performance and price over the past 3-5 years, closing the gap to the Ducati.

The R1M is the comparo to the 1299S not the R model. So $21,990 R1M vs $24,995 1299S. But the R1M is still cheaper by $3K from the S Model. For what you get it's a hell of a deal.

I am also under the impression the R1 will go up in price about $500 also for 2016.

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The R1M is the comparo to the 1299S not the R model. So $21,990 R1M vs $24,995 1299S. But the R1M is still cheaper by $3K from the S Model. For what you get it's a hell of a deal.

I am also under the impression the R1 will go up in price about $500 also for 2016.

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Yep. Yamaha doesn't have a model competition/alternative for the 1199R. The R1M doesn't get any motor changes/upgrades. The R1M is Yamaha's version of the "S".

And it is a DAMN good deal. The only reason I got the 1299S is because it is legal in more race classes because it is a Twin.

It looks like 2016 and 2017 are also going to be good years for sportbikes with Suzuki and Honda coming back to play.

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It looks like 2016 and 2017 are also going to be good years for sportbikes with Suzuki and Honda coming back to play.

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Give that Suzuki a Pepsi, Lucky Strike or 85' paint job and it would be a really nice looking bike. Good amount of tech in the Suzuki too.

The only way I see Ducati keeping the distance and keeping their higher level of "pedigree" in the superbike relm is to due what Aprilia is starting to offer. Get rid of the base model. Make the S/R the entry and offer a toned down race bike as their top tier model. Now the common folks will have to spend 25k plus to play. Which is going to be pretty hard to justify on a toy. You also have to look at the impact the 899 is giving the Duc on the used market as well. Squids don't care about the number as long as the badge is there to show it off. My fear is looking over and seeing one all caged out with no fairings and a hat strapped to the back.

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You can still get Japanese liter bikes for around 11-12k. Black Friday sales have 2015 gsxr750 listed at only 9k and 8k for 600s. Even still, I'd get an RSV4 over any one of the Japanese bikes.

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I rememember buying a 2008 CBR1000rr brand new out of the crate for 6800 bucks several years back when Honda had a crazy inventory surplus. No sales tax here in Oregon either. Those were the days!

Now that is a steal!

Alot of the guys spend the money on the base Panigale(which is fine) for 19K-20K then realize its not for them, resulting in a flooding of used bikes.

My S is for sale and I will be lucky to get 21K for it.