2023 Panigale. I'm confused?

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KarlKani said:
Do you remember what the 2018 V4 looked like?

2019 the R released and was the basis of every V4 since.

The whole v2 to v4 change was monumental for Ducati so everything after is slightly adjusted to the new standard.

the R IS THE SBK version - the other bikes are not
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Yes because I have an 18 lol.

What I was referring to was that if they announce a new R that has never been the start of a new bike just a revision or change. I do understand what you are stating though if the R is different the following year so will the S & Base.
 
If I were to stick my neck out, I'd say the new R will have the revised aero/bodywork from the 22 bike, manual suspension, a few carbon bits.
Unsure if it'll be a 1000cc bike or 1100.

It'll probably be a lot less exciting than we're all hoping. It'll be a run out model to squeeze the last profit out of the Panigale V4 platform, before the replacement model is announced.
 
The R bike is all about homologation for WSB and I believe updated every 5 years…. Therefor the next R will begin with all the upgrades and future items they are looking to add into their WSB push… which is why the seamless gearbox isn’t too far fetched
 
RickD996 said:
If I were to stick my neck out, I'd say the new R will have the revised aero/bodywork from the 22 bike, manual suspension, a few carbon bits.
Unsure if it'll be a 1000cc bike or 1100.

It'll probably be a lot less exciting than we're all hoping. It'll be a run out model to squeeze the last profit out of the Panigale V4 platform, before the replacement model is announced.
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gonna say that it will be different, maybe very different
 
Gotta figure 99% of V4's never see the track anyways. Unless you're routinely riding at 3x the speed limit, you'll never notice any chassis/electronics upgrades on the street anyways. Cosemtic changes, sure, obviously anyone can 'see' that change. I'd bet that 85% of the V4's I've seen at the track are nowhere near riding within 5 seconds of the lap record for that track.

Which all begs the question...what's the real world difference between a 2018 and 2023?
 
1299S_Racer said:
Gotta figure 99% of V4's never see the track anyways. Unless you're routinely riding at 3x the speed limit, you'll never notice any chassis/electronics upgrades on the street anyways. Cosemtic changes, sure, obviously anyone can 'see' that change. I'd bet that 85% of the V4's I've seen at the track are nowhere near riding within 5 seconds of the lap record for that track.

Which all begs the question...what's the real world difference between a 2018 and 2023?
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The "99% never see the track" seems to be a US-thing, most of the V4s sold here in Norway (at least in the southern part) are ridden on track.
Out of the eleven '22 V4s that are registered here, I've already met four + mine, and expecting to meet a few more after the summer break
 
Olenikolai said:
The "99% never see the track" seems to be a US-thing, most of the V4s sold here in Norway (at least in the southern part) are ridden on track.
Out of the eleven '22 V4s that are registered here, I've already met four + mine, and expecting to meet a few more after the summer break
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Probably Norway is lacking in Starbucks
 
Olenikolai said:
The "99% never see the track" seems to be a US-thing, most of the V4s sold here in Norway (at least in the southern part) are ridden on track.
Out of the eleven '22 V4s that are registered here, I've already met four + mine, and expecting to meet a few more after the summer break
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I don't think there's a reasonable comparison being made there. Norway is half the size of the state of Texas. Considering just the southern portion of Norway, I don't think there's this many tracks in an area 1/4 the size of Texas anywhere in the US.

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bp_SFV4 said:
I don't think there's a reasonable comparison being made there. Norway is half the size of the state of Texas. Considering just the southern portion of Norway, I don't think there's this many tracks in an area 1/4 the size of Texas anywhere in the US.

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That’s a bit misleading. There are only three proper tracks in southern Norway, and they’re all relatively short tracks. Those pinned tracks you showed seem to include go kart tracks, and tracks for RC cars etc. The “regular” tracks include Rudskogen (3.24 km), Vålerbanen (2.5 km) and KNA Raceway (2.32 km).
 
Any new bike will have been in planning and development for years, they dont to "new" overnight, an updated R will be the same basic platform with upgrades, seamless is a distinct possibility. Like Rick (and all the reviewers) have commented on the '22 its a noticeable improvement not a revolution. The V4 platform was new model as well as a revolution. Im guessing development was underway not long after the 1199 launch

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bp_SFV4 said:
I don't think there's a reasonable comparison being made there. Norway is half the size of the state of Texas. Considering just the southern portion of Norway, I don't think there's this many tracks in an area 1/4 the size of Texas anywhere in the US.
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One thing I have noticed is that a newish Ducati seems to be quite a status symbol, even in places that dont have twisties. How many threads have we had along the lines of "getting my first bike should it be a V4R or just an S?" you just know that the OP is dreaming of extended swingarms, that really cool t-shirt with shorty glove look. You take status symbols to places where equally vacuous and easily impressed people hang out like Starbucks or wherever, not the track where you might actually have to put skin in the game.
 
paul g has never let minor things like reality stand in the way of his dedication to sermonizing

edit: on a more serious note, most of the v4 riders I know locally track their bikes fairly consistently.
 
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Its all about your riding cohort, if you live in a place where there's a lot of Ducati sales then you'll get many different kinds of owner and if your riding scene is track, then youll see a lot of track Ducatis.
 
CSV4 said:
bp has never let minor things like that stand in the way of his dedication to being a contrarian :)
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It is my gift. :p

If I could throw a rock and hit a track I'd be doing it a lot more trust me. As it stands, it is a lesson in logistics.

At the end of the day though, Ducati sold more Multistrada V4 models than any other model in 2021. Second was a Scrambler then the Monster IIRC. So arguably, most Ducati motorcycles worldwide will never see a track.
 
1299S_Racer said:
Gotta figure 99% of V4's never see the track anyways. Unless you're routinely riding at 3x the speed limit, you'll never notice any chassis/electronics upgrades on the street anyways. Cosemtic changes, sure, obviously anyone can 'see' that change. I'd bet that 85% of the V4's I've seen at the track are nowhere near riding within 5 seconds of the lap record for that track.

Which all begs the question...what's the real world difference between a 2018 and 2023?
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Who cares? I don't understand the gatekeeping logic of skill level or intended use to justify the lack of significant year-over-year updates to a product? 4 minor ECU updates from '22 to '23 is not worth the justification to get a '23 regardless of end use. It's simply bad for consumers.

99% of every high-end thing isn't used at the semi-pro or above level. Why is that a factor to say the product shouldn't improve?

Those expensive golf clubs you bought aren't being used to winning a PGA course.
That amazing grill you got isn't getting you a Michelin Star.
Your Rolex Submariner isn't being taken 300m underwater.
That $10,000 graphine bicycle isn't winning you a leg in the Tour de France.
 
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Its not like you can buy a 2022 in 2023 unless you were shopping for a used bike then that's hardly a like comparison.

Hell, you can barely buy a 2022 in 2022. I'm fine with the minor update and neither makes me want to trade in my 2021 that's all sorted out.

I'm sure there's a bigger corporate play in the works. Like a total refresh, R&D money to the next R model etc.
 
fire said:
Who cares? I don't understand the gatekeeping logic of skill level or intended use to justify the lack of significant year-over-year updates to a product? 4 minor ECU updates from '22 to '23 is not worth the justification to get a '23 regardless of end use. It's simply bad for consumers.

99% of every high-end thing isn't used at the semi-pro or above level. Why is that a factor to say the product shouldn't improve?

Those expensive golf clubs you bought aren't being used to winning a PGA course.
That amazing grill you got isn't getting you a Michelin Star.
Your Rolex Submariner isn't being taken 300m underwater.
That $10,000 graphine bicycle isn't winning you a leg in the Tour de France.
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You're literally reiterating my point, but thanks.
 

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