205 hp to the wheel no exhaust !

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My bike went in for stalling and bog down problems. Mr Ferracci has to go in and out new plugs, map, and who knows what else. I came in(little did he know with a check to trade for an1199r) and he walked me over to my bike and showed me this dyno! Why bother with an R model then?
 

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WTF does SAE smoothing 5 mean and does that push the number up?

In my limited time here, I've come to realize you know it all. So for someone who knows it all, seriously you don't know what SAE smoothing 5 is?

Let me enlighten you, if there was no SAE smoothing, the gyno graph would likely look like a bunch of white noise. SAE smoothing makes it appear as more of a line, and takes out all the huge spikes and dips and actually lowers the maximum number. SAE is the American standard for horsepower measured and corrected for altitude, temperature and humidity conditions. All of which effect the actual power an engine produces.
 
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In my limited time here, I've come to realize you know it all. So for someone who knows it all, seriously you don't know what SAE smoothing 5 is?

Let me enlighten you, if there was no SAE smoothing, the gyno graph would likely look like a bunch of white noise. SAE smoothing makes it appear as more of a line, and takes out all the huge spikes and dips and actually lowers the maximum number. SAE is the American standard for horsepower measured and corrected for altitude, temperature and humidity conditions. All of which effect the actual power an engine produces.
 
will you be riding without an exhaust ¿ ¿ ¿

i suppose backpressure on run wasn't issue...would it be over time [in terms of engine reliability]???

My bike went in for stalling and bog down problems. Mr Ferracci has to go in and out new plugs, map, and who knows what else. I came in(little did he know with a check to trade for an1199r) and he walked me over to my bike and showed me this dyno! Why bother with an R model then?
 
will you be riding without an exhaust ¿ ¿ ¿

i suppose backpressure on run wasn't issue...would it be over time [in terms of engine reliability]???

I think he meant no performance exhaust...as in oem is still mounted.
 
thanks for the clarification. was referencing the straight pipe that produced good top end at expense of rest of curve and extrapolated that no muffler could have yielded alleged 205....

I think he meant no performance exhaust...as in oem is still mounted.
 
Yea, this is optimistic. I have an R with a full race pipe, Pro Manifold aka DP3, BMC Race air filter, VP U4.4 and Bazzaz. All of this was tuned by Attack Performance in Huntington Beach and we were all quite impressed with the results, 191 HP - 96 ft/lbs. That's pretty crazy. To put that in perspective, their CRT bike is 220 Hp and the R1 I was racing was 169 HP - 83 ft/lbs. I think you have some nice bragging rights there but little if anything more. Enjoy
 
Anyone who wishes to get some info from Mr Ferracci just look up fast by ferracci. He is a great man. I really got into what we were doing with my 1098 but this bike blew my mind beginning at no frame! He would gladly tune anyones bike and adust things as he does for many. As long as ive known him he has always kept my bikes up front of the pack. My name is vince brown if you need to reference my bike. And let me say it feels so fkn good to dust my buddys beemer lol
 
In my limited time here, I've come to realize you know it all. So for someone who knows it all, seriously you don't know what SAE smoothing 5 is?

Let me enlighten you, if there was no SAE smoothing, the gyno graph would likely look like a bunch of white noise. SAE smoothing makes it appear as more of a line, and takes out all the huge spikes and dips and actually lowers the maximum number. SAE is the American standard for horsepower measured and corrected for altitude, temperature and humidity conditions. All of which effect the actual power an engine produces.

So how does the dyno correct to give the SAE HP number? Unless it has a weather station like sensor suite on it, it will rely on values entered by the operator. This would be a super easy way to bump up HP numbers. Just show artificially high alt, temp, and humidity and voila, giant HP! I'm not saying this is going on, but it definitely could...
 
So how does the dyno correct to give the SAE HP number? Unless it has a weather station like sensor suite on it, it will rely on values entered by the operator. This would be a super easy way to bump up HP numbers. Just show artificially high alt, temp, and humidity and voila, giant HP! I'm not saying this is going on, but it definitely could...

It's a mathematical equation. The SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) have done a lot of work to figure it out I assume. SAE hp is a reference calculation. All things being equal. Made for auto manufacturers. The formula corrects everything about the air that effects engine output. 25 deg C temp, 29.235 in-Hg pressure and 0% relative humidity. I've never used a dyno but I imagine it corrects these values itself otherwise there would be no SAE hp.

Play with this calculator to learn more about how air effects horsepower.

Engine Tuning Calculator - using dew point
 
It's a mathematical equation. The SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) have done a lot of work to figure it out I assume. SAE hp is a reference calculation. All things being equal. Made for auto manufacturers. The formula corrects everything about the air that effects engine output. 25 deg C temp, 29.235 in-Hg pressure and 0% relative humidity. I've never used a dyno but I imagine it corrects these values itself otherwise there would be no SAE hp.

Play with this calculator to learn more about how air effects horsepower.

Engine Tuning Calculator - using dew point

Yes, your first and last sentences are exactly what I'm talking about. It's just science. My point being that I doubt the dyno always automatically populates the exact information at the time of the test. So the operator can, or has to enter the values manually and then the numbers change.

If you look at the 170HP run, you can see temp=81.25F, press=30.05, and humidity=25%, giving an SAE # of .98, which is effectively a 1:1 of displayed power on the dyno to power output by the bike. All of these numbers seem realistic based on other dyno numbers people have posted previously.

Now look at the 206HP run. You see temp=94.89F, press=27.51, and humidity=62%. The SAE # is covered up by the 150MPH speed number on the sheet, but the math works out to roughly 1.2.

So basically, by inputing high temp, very low pressure, and high humidity, the dyno adjusted the power up from the actual output of the bike by 20%! And that's one way to get 206HP out of your Pani!

I don't know the tuner who did these runs, but it sounds like he has a good reputation. I bet there's a high probability that he was demonstrating how much environmental conditions affect HP numbers, and how you can "make" big numbers.

We have a saying in R&D Flight Test- "Only trust statistics that you personally manipulated."
 
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and at 205 bhp at the wheel, i'd start worrying big time about those conrods...

Yep, I bet you're exactly right on that Kope! I bet the factory steel conrods were designed to handle the loads created up to about 100HP each. That could be why the R comes from the factory with the higher performance Ti units...
 

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