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So like the topic says

You have a V4 base

And you have 5k for the following (don’t include labor) don’t go over budget


COMPLETE FORK OR CARTRIDGE

REAR SHOCK

STEERING DAMPER

What parts will you buy? And from what reputable suspension tuner ?
 
Thinking about



Ohlins TTX GP Shock DU468
Ohlins Gold FGRT 231 Road & Track Front Forks

and ohlins steering damper

Or

K-Tech 35DDS 'Pro' Shock Absorber
K-Tech 20DDS Front Fork Cartridges

And ohlins steering damper
 
Whichever you have trackside support for.

If both, whichever you think looks better (the qualitative difference will likely be smaller appreciate).

If both, you’re not likely to find a better deal than the one you’ll get from Endo.

A second/third order concern is that Ohlins will likely have stronger resale value.
 
There is more to suspension than just forks and shock. The V4 seems very sensitive to geometry - aka shock link, offset triples, swingarm position etc. I would budget for those as well.
 
Both platforms are great. I keep hearing great things from K-Tech and many run their stuff in my paddocks.
It comes down to what Craig said but i will ad to this, who is building your set up.
 

To be honest I’m not sure why so many people poopoo on the electronic suspension.

Do people just prefer turning nuts with wrenches instead of an electronic servo??

And as for the dynamic adjustment what’s so bad about having that making adjustments in milliseconds while driving on the variable terrain of public roads?

While on the track you simply go to fixed settings so the bike isn’t ‘adjusting’ on it’s own…

Am I missing something here?

When I get around to doing my shocks and forks I plan on having the extrinsic servo installed by a guy who can do it to just about any shock/fork setup….Klaus on the east coast.
 
I picked up some stiffer springs from Dan Kyle to help with blowing through OEM fork travel. Helped a bunch for sure. I just remember how well the Ohlins stuff works and the electronic stuff "works" for sure. I know the aftermarket stuff actually works flawlessly but would never have purchased a base model due to having to do triples and all the other bits. The residual value of the S-Model is still a few points higher.

My experience with the base 848 and a complete suspension update including triples, turned that bike into something quite nice. Carved like a razor and handled so damn good.

When it came time to trade her in on the 1199S, I got .... on. 848 Base with "tons of mods" didn't work out in my favor. Sure, could have sold her private party etc. End of the day you wanna spend time screwing around on Ebay and other sales sites go for it.

I think the OEM stuff is fine, I wanna do some serious updates and mods, and perhaps I should hit the track before spending a few K on mods, but it will work out since I have been modding and riding for a while.

If I could keep the functionality and improve feedback and performance I would be all over that!
 
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To be honest I’m not sure why so many people poopoo on the electronic suspension.

Do people just prefer turning nuts with wrenches instead of an electronic servo??

And as for the dynamic adjustment what’s so bad about having that making adjustments in milliseconds while driving on the variable terrain of public roads?

While on the track you simply go to fixed settings so the bike isn’t ‘adjusting’ on it’s own…

Am I missing something here?

The complaint is three fold:
1. In present day technology that is sold to the public, electronic damping is not as precise as manual damping. Meaning, one click this way or that way is not the same unit of measure. In a race bike that's ridden at pace, even a single click of adjustment matters.
2. Electronic damping doesn't seem to be able to keep up at race pace. Electronic damping is constantly talking to the BBS which is talking to the IMU to make damping decisions, and the network just doesn't seem to be able to operate fast enough at race pace.
3. Taking very intuitive clickers on the forks or shock and burying them under several layers of counter intuitive menus makes it very hard to pit out, make a quick adjustment and get back on track. What could be a 10 second process is now 3 or 4 minutes. And instead of just counting clicks, Ducati (or ohlins?) seems to have invented their own monikers ('more grip' or 'more stability' etc.) and instead of using the normal operating range for a race fork or shock (32 clicks from zero damping to full damping), they are using their own scale from -5 to 5 forcing us to compute the imprecise math. Extremely annoying actually.

Tech is in its infancy and not quite ready to re-invent the wheel for the better. When its mature and I can just pay for a custom DES 'map' for the specific track I am riding in, and flash it on the bike trackside, now we are talking, that's the true potential...

The V4R ships with 'classic' static forks and that should tell you something about Ducati's confidence in present day tech for their 'race' bike....
 
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The V4R is a race homologation special. I don't get why people want to read more into that then there is. Is the 998cc V4 engine on the V4R a statement on the 1103cc V4 engine? No. Is a brushed aluminum tank clearly a race advantage?

The electronic adjusters are every bit as precise as manual adjustments. The only difference is one is doing it with a motor.

There are two modes, DES Dynamic and DES Fixed. If you are using DES fixed, it is exactly the same as making manual adjustments. If the electronic adjusters offer 32 steps and the conventional clicks adjusters 16, the electronic is a more precise and granular adjustment.

It seems every manufacturer using semi-active suspension comes up with an algorithm for how their system works. If whatever conditions exist, make adjustment A or B etc, The values you change in DES Dynamic Custom is how big of an adjustment or compensation is made. I fully agree the manual needs to be a lot more clear about what exactly is going on. It very much seems like they are trying to explain things without giving away the secret sauce which leaves it all rather vague.

The 2022 Panigale does offer track specific settings, but I highly doubt any tracks from the midwest US are in there, so a neat feature to show the neighbors but probably not very useful.

The CAN bus on the bike is more than capable of keeping up with adjustments. The monkey holding the handlebars is the slowest thing on the bike.
 

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