899 or 1299?

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Unlike trackdays that you have to book well in advance, not knowing what the weather is going to be like, sometimes on days that you are working, and have to tape up things change coolant etc, weekend canyon riding only depends on how you feel that morning. Get up and go.
There are a lot of reasons for it.

For me, I'm lucky enough my local track has regular open days where I can just get up and go in the weekend when the weather is right / not ..... Many funs are had!
But a lot of others are not that lucky.

Especially those that still has their panigales on finance and has to work their arses off to pay for living that dream. Eh?
 
Chaotic said:
Agree 100%.

I have never understood that logic either.

And personally, I have the opposite way of thinking. If I am going to spend $25k on a Superbike, I am going to take it to the track where I can ride it the way it is designed to be ridden, in the environment it was built for.

I would rather have the $5-6k bike to tool around with on the streets when it doesn't really matter. Anything is fine for the streets. On the track, I would rather have the best machine/equipment available.
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The $25k track bike is fine for experienced/seasoned riders, but newer riders are going to crash a fair amount, and the $25k superbike will look like a beater in a hurry. it also tends to reduce the value of the bike faster.

Furthermore, a $5k R6 can be damn quick around a track, fast enough for most and still a lot of fun. If you you toss it down the asphalt, no worries about bogus insurance claims, etc, just throw some new aftermarket bodywork on
 
Marmoot said:
Unlike trackdays that you have to book well in advance, not knowing what the weather is going to be like, sometimes on days that you are working, and have to tape up things change coolant etc, weekend canyon riding only depends on how you feel that morning. Get up and go.
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That's my thought - track riding will always be the ultimate, but the ultimate comes with a price tag, and your weekend is shot. I ride in western NC, beautiful curvy roads, no cops, a few Harleys I blow off the road at 120+, and cow pastures.....freedom
 
fzr100098 said:
The $25k track bike is fine for experienced/seasoned riders, but newer riders are going to crash a fair amount, and the $25k superbike will look like a beater in a hurry. it also tends to reduce the value of the bike faster.

Furthermore, a $5k R6 can be damn quick around a track, fast enough for most and still a lot of fun. If you you toss it down the asphalt, no worries about bogus insurance claims, etc, just throw some new aftermarket bodywork on
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In my experience people that leave ego at home and pay attention/want to learn tend to have a fine time. The people that "crash a fair amount" are the ones that haven't figured out that winning a track day means going home with your body and your stuff in the condition you brought them in.
 
I don't think it has much to do with ego - the whole point of being on the track is to learn and push your limits. It's just the nature of it, crashes are more likely, with modern one piece suits that doesn't always mean you're going to get injured
 
fzr100098 said:
I don't think it has much to do with ego - the whole point of being on the track is to learn and push your limits. It's just the nature of it, crashes are more likely, with modern one piece suits that doesn't always mean you're going to get injured
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the point of going to the track is to learn, build up skills, THEN push a bit more. Pushing to the limits is racing, not track days. I never push to 100% at a track day. I go to the track with a purpose and to work on something, never to push to my limits. when I race, thats another animal.
 
fzr100098 said:
I don't think it has much to do with ego - the whole point of being on the track is to learn and push your limits. It's just the nature of it, crashes are more likely, with modern one piece suits that doesn't always mean you're going to get injured
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I agree with Juice . Track days are not racing not for pushing limits but for learning skills . Ego does have a lot to do with it I have seen track guys who over only ever ridden track and new to the sport have more skill than a street rider with 20 years experience .
Unfortunately with some guys their ego will not allow them to learn as they think they already know because they have been riding on the street for years .
Coaching is the best money spent no matter what your experience being smooth will get results not pushing limits .
 
wilkson said:
I agree with Juice . Track days are not racing not for pushing limits but for learning skills . Ego does have a lot to do with it I have seen track guys who over only ever ridden track and new to the sport have more skill than a street rider with 20 years experience .
Unfortunately with some guys their ego will not allow them to learn as they think they already know because they have been riding on the street for years .
Coaching is the best money spent no matter what your experience being smooth will get results not pushing limits .
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Man, I was looking forward to taking the Disalvo speed academy this year and when I heard he wasnt doing it, I was crushed. Now I'm looking to attend Jason Pridmore or one of the other school to continue my learning.
 
Schools like Keith Code etc are definitely worth it, smartest money I've ever spent on a motorcycle
 
I would say go with the bike that you feel is most fun to ride. If that means taming the monster 1299 or riding the 899 with ease its you who ultimately decides it.

I dont understand people stating dont get the dream bike because you will crash it at the end of the day you are in control of how fast you go and dont get something knowing you really wanted something else

Trust me i have done this several times with purchases and always end up selling the bike or vehicle to get what i truly wanted

You can track a 1299 with no experience just go slow and dont try to compete you will be fine! And on that note it is very nice to have that extra power on tap when you are ready to execute and overtake!!
 
Grayson said:
If I don't drag knee on the street then people might not think I'm fast and judge me:(
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:D

It is funny how many people truly think like that. I probably have 125k street miles behind me, and I might have touched my knee down twice.
 
fzr100098 said:
The $25k track bike is fine for experienced/seasoned riders, but newer riders are going to crash a fair amount, and the $25k superbike will look like a beater in a hurry. it also tends to reduce the value of the bike faster.

Furthermore, a $5k R6 can be damn quick around a track, fast enough for most and still a lot of fun. If you you toss it down the asphalt, no worries about bogus insurance claims, etc, just throw some new aftermarket bodywork on
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I actually agree with that logic. Personally, I think everyone should start on an SV, or a 600 at the most to develop skills.

But yes, for experience riders, I can't see putting the kickass bike on the street and riding the lesser one on the track. That is just backwards to me.
 
Ljuice26 said:
the point of going to the track is to learn, build up skills, THEN push a bit more. Pushing to the limits is racing, not track days. I never push to 100% at a track day. I go to the track with a purpose and to work on something, never to push to my limits. when I race, thats another animal.
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wilkson said:
I agree with Juice . Track days are not racing not for pushing limits but for learning skills . Ego does have a lot to do with it I have seen track guys who over only ever ridden track and new to the sport have more skill than a street rider with 20 years experience .
Unfortunately with some guys their ego will not allow them to learn as they think they already know because they have been riding on the street for years .
Coaching is the best money spent no matter what your experience being smooth will get results not pushing limits .
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Well said. I agree 100%.

In my experience as a Coach, it is the guys who are newer to riding (in general) that learn faster and crash less. They are there to learn, soak everything in, and improve at their own pace.

The guys I worry about are the "Canyon/Mountain Superstars" that think they are fast. They are the ones that let their ego get the best of them and push too hard and crash often.
 
I'd take an 899 over an 1199. Peak power is one thing; ultimately, even the most powerful bike can be ridden sensibly with a conservative throttle hand. USABLE power, that's different. I never liked the 1199 and got an S1000RR instead, which I tracked. I never used anywhere near it's full power except on the main straight. It's smooth spread of power meant that sometimes I could just leave it in 3rd gear and just focus on technique. The 1199's peaky nature demands expert skills, and hence I've heard more than one 1199 owner wish for the 899.

But the 1299 is different, enough so that I bought one. The usability of its power is much improved, but still doesn't equal the user-friendliness of my BMW. But it's enough so that I think it'll be fine on the track, particularly because the Ducati is FAR superior to the BMW in handling - it turns quicker yet ironically feels more stable.
 
Ljuice26 said:
Man, I was looking forward to taking the Disalvo speed academy this year and when I heard he wasnt doing it, I was crushed.
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Just stay tuned. The entity of the JDSA doesn't have anything, but Jason/we might have something similar in the future. Jason and I just talked about it last month.

I also hated to see it go away. I was a part of the JDSA since the very beginning. But hopefully there will be a similar alternative in the future. Jason loves to coach/teach; it is a passion of his.
 
kismetcapitan said:
But the 1299 is different, enough so that I bought one. The usability of its power is much improved, but still doesn't equal the user-friendliness of my BMW. But it's enough so that I think it'll be fine on the track, particularly because the Ducati is FAR superior to the BMW in handling - it turns quicker yet ironically feels more stable.
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Interesting comments on the almighty S1000RR
 
Chaotic said:
Just stay tuned. The entity of the JDSA doesn't have anything, but Jason/we might have something similar in the future. Jason and I just talked about it last month.

I also hated to see it go away. I was a part of the JDSA since the very beginning. But hopefully there will be a similar alternative in the future. Jason loves to coach/teach; it is a passion of his.
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Yes please..!!!!
 
Chaotic said:
Just stay tuned. The entity of the JDSA doesn't have anything, but Jason/we might have something similar in the future. Jason and I just talked about it last month.

I also hated to see it go away. I was a part of the JDSA since the very beginning. But hopefully there will be a similar alternative in the future. Jason loves to coach/teach; it is a passion of his.
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Cool. There are some things I want to work on and getting some top notch coaching can only make me faster. Let me know when you guys are up and running.
 
fzr100098 said:
Interesting comments on the almighty S1000RR
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I've had two - one of the first '10s delivered, then traded in for the '12 update. I know this bike inside and out. Still have it, although it's for sale so I'm not really riding it anymore.

Put a throttle limiter on it and rev limit it to 7000, and it'd make a GREAT beginner bikes. Traffic jam? Heavy urban stop and go? No problem. I've done long-distance touring on it, and it's very good at it.

Power is linear and my butt-dyno says it still has a small edge over the 1299.

The handlebar vibrations can really get annoying; twins are inherently better because vibration frequency is half. Handling feels numb, although I never invested $5k in a set of Ohlins that may have fixed that.

Riding a BMW makes you feel like you rode a smooth motorcycle from point A to B. Riding a Ducati makes you feel like you just had sex.
 

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