Actual flames coming from the rear wheel?!

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Hi guys,

On my outing this morning,about 2 miles after leaving my home I had alot of stares from passers by. Thinking this was a normal day being sat on a good looking bike,I then had people starting to point at me strangly. Looking down at the bike I noticed friggin flames coming from the rear wheel,so pulled over immediately! Upon further inspection (and putting the fire out with my gloves,I noticed the rear caliper had seized to the disc,with the entire rear resi pot empty!!! As I pumped the rear brake,the seal had gone making brake fluid seep out from inside the caliper and catch fire again when in contact with the red hot disc.

Phoned my dealership from where I purchased it,only to be told to call Ducati roadside assistance,then hanging up!

Any of you had this or similar happen? :mad:
 
Negative on the experience, but I am curious; Did you end up calling the Ducati Road assistance? Did they help? I had reason to calll them a few months back. I ended up hanging up after being on hold for 58 minutes.
 
had this happen on my 996. Never did figure out why it happened.

I'd check the adjustment on the brake pedal. The fluid and seal probablly failed because of the heat, don't think it was the cause.

PUMPDAD said:
Hi guys,

On my outing this morning,about 2 miles after leaving my home I had alot of stares from passers by. Thinking this was a normal day being sat on a good looking bike,I then had people starting to point at me strangly. Looking down at the bike I noticed friggin flames coming from the rear wheel,so pulled over immediately! Upon further inspection (and putting the fire out with my gloves,I noticed the rear caliper had seized to the disc,with the entire rear resi pot empty!!! As I pumped the rear brake,the seal had gone making brake fluid seep out from inside the caliper and catch fire again when in contact with the red hot disc.

Phoned my dealership from where I purchased it,only to be told to call Ducati roadside assistance,then hanging up!

Any of you had this or similar happen? :mad:
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zvez said:
had this happen on my 996. Never did figure out why it happened.

I'd check the adjustment on the brake pedal. The fluid and seal probablly failed because of the heat, don't think it was the cause.
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No,in the end I drained the all the fluid completely from the rear hose,dried off the leaked fluid,waited for the disc to cool,then and carried on with my ride. Pretty lucky none of the carbon or wheel is damaged :eek:

Before I got on the bike,the rear brake felt normal,and wasnt binding at all on the disc. Your right about the build up of heat probably caused the seal to blow,but why would t decide to bind in the first place...maybe a fauly ABS control box?!
 
you'll probably need to replace the pads, and is the disc discolored? If so that needs to be replaced as well.


PUMPDAD said:
No,in the end I drained the all the fluid completely from the rear hose,dried off the leaked fluid,waited for the disc to cool,then and carried on with my ride. Pretty lucky none of the carbon or wheel is damaged :eek:

Before I got on the bike,the rear brake felt normal,and wasnt binding at all on the disc. Your right about the build up of heat probably caused the seal to blow,but why would t decide to bind in the first place...maybe a fauly ABS control box?!
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PUMPDAD said:
No,in the end I drained the all the fluid completely from the rear hose,dried off the leaked fluid,waited for the disc to cool,then and carried on with my ride. Pretty lucky none of the carbon or wheel is damaged :eek:

Before I got on the bike,the rear brake felt normal,and wasnt binding at all on the disc. Your right about the build up of heat probably caused the seal to blow,but why would t decide to bind in the first place...maybe a fauly ABS control box?!
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ABS by design prevents braking, it dosen't cause braking. The only way I can think this could happen is the cylinder got stuck/seized in the compressed position. If the seal had failed first, it would have relaxed pressure on the disc, and there would not have been any heat build up.
 
zvez said:
you'll probably need to replace the pads, and is the disc discolored? If so that needs to be replaced as well.
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Yes the pads are vitually on the minimum,the disc has turned to a bronze & blue colour,and the caliper looks like its been in the oven all day!

I take it all this will be covered by my warranty?!
 
PUMPDAD said:
Yes the pads are vitually on the minimum,the disc has turned to a bronze & blue colour,and the caliper looks like its been in the oven all day!

I take it all this will be covered by my warranty?!
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As long as you show the pads still have wear, there is nothing you can do to those brakes that would "break" the warranty! :)
 
It happend to me on my first Pani, I was racing on the streets and for some reason all other bikes were cashing up so I tried to hit it harder but it didn't work, when one of my boys looked at my rear tired all scared, I pulled over and my rear brake was all bright red from the heat.... Had to wait till I cool down and took it to the dealer, they said that I was holding the brake down by mistake, had to replace brake pads, brake fluid and they moved the lever lower :)
It was 2012 Pani S non ABS
 
So was this covered under warranty? did they ever find the cause?

I've got 350 miles on mine, took it out for my first "big" ride of the season.. didn't last long, after about 10 miles I cold fee the bike struggling.
This post was the first thing I thought of (since I had read it months ago)
I looked down, and sure enough, smoke coming from rear wheel. I pulled over immediately, and found the rotor was Bright red (on a sunny day) the brake line as separated from the banjo fitting. and the pads are baked.

I grabbed a rag, pumped out the remaining fluid, wiped down the bike and rode it home.
I have after marked rearsets, so I'm afraid the dealer will try to blame the issue on them. but when I set them up, I made sure there was plenty of free play.
 

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I would think this should be under warranty.
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Rights guys,finally news from my dealer/Ducati and isnt what I was hoping for!!! Got a call from the guy from P&H motors in Crawley where I had purchased the bike from,Joe is his name. He said hes talked to Steve the Ducati rep in the South and IT ISNT COVERED UNDER WARRANTY???!!!

They are trying to say ive somehow adjusted the rear brake lever as it wasnt in the position from when it left them after the pre-delivery inspection. This is utter b****x as if I did adjust it myself then I wouldnt do so leaving the rear caliper clamped onto the disc.

After this apauling/discusting statement,im affraid this will be the last time il be using this company again for any of the Duke servicing,and parts/kit,not to mention the thousands ive spent there in kit in the past. I will also be taking this further up the complaints proceedure,exploiting the people involved,plus spreading the word on what a joke this company are.

I expected alot more from P&H motorcycles in Crawley,but sadly this wasnt the case...
 
PUMPDAD said:
Hi guys,

On my outing this morning,about 2 miles after leaving my home I had alot of stares from passers by. Thinking this was a normal day being sat on a good looking bike,I then had people starting to point at me strangly. Looking down at the bike I noticed friggin flames coming from the rear wheel,so pulled over immediately! Upon further inspection (and putting the fire out with my gloves,I noticed the rear caliper had seized to the disc,with the entire rear resi pot empty!!! As I pumped the rear brake,the seal had gone making brake fluid seep out from inside the caliper and catch fire again when in contact with the red hot disc.

Phoned my dealership from where I purchased it,only to be told to call Ducati roadside assistance,then hanging up!

Any of you had this or similar happen? :mad:
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I had a similar expirience this weekend when my shifter pivot bolt backed it self out and I couldnt shift. didnt loose the bolt as it was wedged in against the swingarm. Only difference is i called my dealer (PJ's Motorcyles) and they came out to me with a trailer and some tools so i fixed it on the road and went on my way after about an hour. Moral of the story is that the dealer is the difference. THANKS PJ's!:)
 
PUMPDAD said:
Rights guys,finally news from my dealer/Ducati and isnt what I was hoping for!!! Got a call from the guy from P&H motors in Crawley where I had purchased the bike from,Joe is his name. He said hes talked to Steve the Ducati rep in the South and IT ISNT COVERED UNDER WARRANTY???!!!

They are trying to say ive somehow adjusted the rear brake lever as it wasnt in the position from when it left them after the pre-delivery inspection. This is utter b****x as if I did adjust it myself then I wouldnt do so leaving the rear caliper clamped onto the disc.

After this apauling/discusting statement,im affraid this will be the last time il be using this company again for any of the Duke servicing,and parts/kit,not to mention the thousands ive spent there in kit in the past. I will also be taking this further up the complaints proceedure,exploiting the people involved,plus spreading the word on what a joke this company are.

I expected alot more from P&H motorcycles in Crawley,but sadly this wasnt the case...
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Can't you send this to Ducati USA, I mean this thread and the issues noted, and see if they will cover it. Obviously this isn't an single occurence.

Weak argument that you adjusted the lever to a position that would cause this, no bike could/should have a level of adjustability that would cause something like this otherwise it would be a design flaw.

I call dealer BS. I wonder if they even called Ducati?
 
Well,
I was able to clean all the toasty pad material off the rotor (lots of sanding).
The pads were fried, one of them delaminated. The caliper looked ok, but I have a feeling that all that heat likely roasted the seals in the caliper.
I was able to find that the only difference between the 1199 and 1198 rear caliper is the color (gold/silver)
So I bought a used 1198 caliper and 1199 rear brake line for about $150. I think It should be covered under warranty, but my closest dealer is 3hours away. and to be honest, the gas to bring it out there, and pick it up after who knows how much waiting and disputing the issue with the dealer, I just decided to replace the parts myself and be able to ride my bike.
But when I bring my bike to the dealer in a few weeks for the 600 mile service, I'm bringing the burnt parts and we'll see what they have to say.
 
PUMPDAD said:
Rights guys,finally news from my dealer/Ducati and isnt what I was hoping for!!! Got a call from the guy from P&H motors in Crawley where I had purchased the bike from,Joe is his name. He said hes talked to Steve the Ducati rep in the South and IT ISNT COVERED UNDER WARRANTY???!!!

They are trying to say ive somehow adjusted the rear brake lever as it wasnt in the position from when it left them after the pre-delivery inspection. This is utter b****x as if I did adjust it myself then I wouldnt do so leaving the rear caliper clamped onto the disc.

After this apauling/discusting statement,im affraid this will be the last time il be using this company again for any of the Duke servicing,and parts/kit,not to mention the thousands ive spent there in kit in the past. I will also be taking this further up the complaints proceedure,exploiting the people involved,plus spreading the word on what a joke this company are.

I expected alot more from P&H motorcycles in Crawley,but sadly this wasnt the case...
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All sounds a bit fishy to me as you are not actually saying you have not adjusted the lever? And the only time I have seen this type of thing happen is when exactly that has been done or when aftermarket rear sets are fitted, it can't just happen on its own unless you are riding with your foot resting on the lever?
 
sqd8r said:
Can't you send this to Ducati USA, I mean this thread and the issues noted, and see if they will cover it. Obviously this isn't an single occurence.

Weak argument that you adjusted the lever to a position that would cause this, no bike could/should have a level of adjustability that would cause something like this otherwise it would be a design flaw.

I call dealer BS. I wonder if they even called Ducati?
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You can adjust the lever but have to take into account the free play that disappears when things get warm if this has not been done then you will get it binding and end up with the above problem
 
This is my arguement though,I have not touched the rear brake pedal what so ever. Plus I never ever use the rear brake wen riding,so a 'lazy foot' resting on the lever is out if the question also! Im an honest man and would hold my hands up and admit I messed with the rear set up,but iv not,so think iv been treated very unfairly.

Iv written to a local well-known mag,and it may get published in a future edition,stating the fault,the dealership,and naming names from that dealership. This will no doubt hinder future purchases/servicing from readers that use this establishment,and hopefully someone higher up the Ducati ladder will pick up on...
 
Caliper seized and burst into flames

Have owned my 1199R for about 6 weeks. Was riding at the weekend and just like pumpdad my rear caliper seized on me after about 20 miles. Stopped at lights and noticed a smell and the bike wouldn't move forward easily. I rode for about another 500 yards to get away from the lights and got off the bike to investigate. I heard the hissing of heat and then a silent pop as the seals went releasing the brake fluid which ignited after hitting the rotor (disc). Managed to get the flames out with my hands but ruined the gloves and burned my finger tips. As its the Christmas holidays, I haven't been able to get it to the dealer here in Houston.

I better get this done under warranty or Im going to a lawyer. I have stock foot rests and I wasn't using my rear brake, nor do I have a lazy foot on the brake lever.


will let you know how I get on when dealer opens on January 2nd.

I'm glad I kept the 1098 now so I have something to play on while this gets sorted out. Hoping the rear wheel didn't see too much heat.
 

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