Adjusting front sag???

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Hey guys, what’s the process for adjusting the front sag?

is it just adjusting the pre-load via those blue nuts at the top of the front shocks by the triple tree?

engine on or engine off?

and what are you guys doing to ‘sag’ it…putting the front brake on and pushing down on the bars?
 
Just adjust using the preload nuts on the top of the fork and the preload adjuster on the rear shock. No need to turn the engine on. You will want to disconnect the electronic damping connectors on the forks before you turn the preload nuts. No need to disconnect the electronics on the rear though.

The sag process is pretty easy, you will want 2 people unless you have a digital tool like slacker. I have that tool and it’s awesome since I can read sag without a helper.

Good starting point for sag is 30mm total rear and 35 total front. I run mine lower on the track but this is an ok place to start.

To sag it, you will sit on it, no bouncing at all. This is why you need a second person to measure it if you don’t have an electronic tool.
 
Engine off. For God's sake unplug the connectors at the top of the shock. Don't be that guy that twists the .... out of the wires. Big adjustable wrench, I just layered some electrical tape on the jaws to stop the tool marks. I still have to order a pair of nylon jaw ones.

You first need to measure the exposed portion of the fork with no load on the front wheel. This is easily done with one person and the bike on a kick stand, or even a headstock stand...the one with the knob that goes into the triple clamp, since there's no weight on the front.

On the kickstand just kneel down on the right side of the bike with it on the kickstand. Push up on the throttle side of the handle bar to leverage the weight of the bike onto the kick stand. This will cause the front tire to raise above the ground. Measure the exposed fork with a metric tape measure. Stand the bike upright so its weight is on the forks. Measure the exposed fork again. The first measurement minus this one is front static. Wrap a zip tie around the exposed portion of the fork and tighten it down. Nothing crazy, it should still be able to slide easily. Slide it up so its touching the fork seal. Gently get on the bike both feet off of the ground. Don't exert extra downward force. Now measure the top of the zip tie to the bottom of the exposed fork. The very first total exposed fork tube measurement minus that is front rider sag.

On bouncing it. There are a few different school of thought. I think its K-tech which teaches this averaging system where for one portion you don't bounce it, and the other you do and average them together. I'm a bouncer from way back. When you do this with a Slacker, you find that it doesn't really matter. The bike will settle in the same place. But bounce or no bounce the important thing is to be consistent in how you do it. Since every Dave Moss video show him bouncing the front when measuring sag, its what I do. It just doesn't work with the zip tie method as the extra downward force will move the zip tie more than the rider's weight would.

Slacker V4 is the ..... The only word of caution I would give to using it is to pick a good point on the rear. The subframe can flex as will the body work. I usually put the hook onto the edge of my license plate and zero the tool by lifting it using a towel run under the gas tank. You can do it just like the front and leverage the kickstand to get the rear off of the ground.

First sag is set for your weight, then your skill. The zip tie will tell you how much travel you are using under braking. If it gets near the bottom, you need more preload. As a baseline, front is 25-30mm static front with 35-40mm rider front. Rear is 10-15mm static with 30-35mm. You want a slight bias to the front, greater rider sag on front vs rear, with a sport bike.
 
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Just adjust using the preload nuts on the top of the fork and the preload adjuster on the rear shock. No need to turn the engine on. You will want to disconnect the electronic damping connectors on the forks before you turn the preload nuts. No need to disconnect the electronics on the rear though.

The sag process is pretty easy, you will want 2 people unless you have a digital tool like slacker. I have that tool and it’s awesome since I can read sag without a helper.

Good starting point for sag is 30mm total rear and 35 total front. I run mine lower on the track but this is an ok place to start.

To sag it, you will sit on it, no bouncing at all. This is why you need a second person to measure it if you don’t have an electronic tool.

thanks brother

I have a motool, easy enough to measure the rear with it, but where do you attach the string on the front?

seams like the handles bars would be too much of an angle for an accurate measurement
 
I have a zip tie on the gold tube of the fork that I used to hook the line to.
I stick the tool on the axle with the magnet and hook the line right to the zip tie.

On the rear I hook it to my license plate bracket.
 
thanks brother

I have a motool, easy enough to measure the rear with it, but where do you attach the string on the front?

seams like the handles bars would be too much of an angle for an accurate measurement

What version do you have? The v4 has a Velcro section and a bracket designed for measuring off the front forks.
 
Like this...

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Hahaha…I think I need to spend more time on the Peloton and less time on the Ducati lol

look how far I had to tighten down the spring to get 25 mm of sag WITH a 115 nm spring, the heaviest they make lol

How much do you guys think I should have them lower the rear end make up for that?

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Engine off. For God's sake unplug the connectors at the top of the shock. Don't be that guy that twists the .... out of the wires. Big adjustable wrench, I just layered some electrical tape on the jaws to stop the tool marks. I still have to order a pair of nylon jaw ones.

You first need to measure the exposed portion of the fork with no load on the front wheel. This is easily done with one person and the bike on a kick stand, or even a headstock stand...the one with the knob that goes into the triple clamp, since there's no weight on the front.

On the kickstand just kneel down on the right side of the bike with it on the kickstand. Push up on the throttle side of the handle bar to leverage the weight of the bike onto the kick stand. This will cause the front tire to raise above the ground. Measure the exposed fork with a metric tape measure. Stand the bike upright so its weight is on the forks. Measure the exposed fork again. The first measurement minus this one is front static. Wrap a zip tie around the exposed portion of the fork and tighten it down. Nothing crazy, it should still be able to slide easily. Slide it up so its touching the fork seal. Gently get on the bike both feet off of the ground. Don't exert extra downward force. Now measure the top of the zip tie to the bottom of the exposed fork. The very first total exposed fork tube measurement minus that is front rider sag.

On bouncing it. There are a few different school of thought. I think its K-tech which teaches this averaging system where for one portion you don't bounce it, and the other you do and average them together. I'm a bouncer from way back. When you do this with a Slacker, you find that it doesn't really matter. The bike will settle in the same place. But bounce or no bounce the important thing is to be consistent in how you do it. Since every Dave Moss video show him bouncing the front when measuring sag, its what I do. It just doesn't work with the zip tie method as the extra downward force will move the zip tie more than the rider's weight would.

Slacker V4 is the ..... The only word of caution I would give to using it is to pick a good point on the rear. The subframe can flex as will the body work. I usually put the hook onto the edge of my license plate and zero the tool by lifting it using a towel run under the gas tank. You can do it just like the front and leverage the kickstand to get the rear off of the ground.

First sag is set for your weight, then your skill. The zip tie will tell you how much travel you are using under braking. If it gets near the bottom, you need more preload. As a baseline, front is 25-30mm static front with 35-40mm rider front. Rear is 10-15mm static with 30-35mm. You want a slight bias to the front, greater rider sag on front vs rear, with a sport bike.

if I understood you right, I want the total FRONT sag to be the distance from when the front wheel is off the ground to when I’m sitting on it?

if that’s so then with the pre-load loosened up as far as it goes I’m getting 38 sag so one turn from the minimum most preload puts me at 35…if the total mm from front wheel off the ground to full body weight on the bike is supposed to be 30 to 35 then I’m okay, if not then I need to order a lighter spring in front I assume….or take some oil out, I had them put an extra 5 CC of oil in because I was bottoming out on hard braking with the 10.0 front springs and was thinking I may still without some extra oil by going to the 11.0 front springs….

I seriously thought the 11.0 springs would be to light still for my 270 pound rider weight…but maybe they are too stiff to get the right sag?





UPDATE***….from full loose to full tight on the front forks pre-load it only moved the bike from 3 mm of sag….it’s like no matter how much or how little pre-load you dial in it doesn’t really change the sag much off of 36 mm…any advice in that?
 
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Hahaha…I think I need to spend more time on the Peloton and less time on the Ducati lol

look how far I had to tighten down the spring to get 25 mm of sag WITH a 115 nm spring, the heaviest they make lol

How much do you guys think I should have them lower the rear end make up for that?

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Depends on where the preload was before you set the sag. This will result in the back sitting up a little bit higher and turning in a little easier. Before assuming you need to adjust your ride height down a little you probably will want to take this for a ride and see how it feels for you.
 
Depends on where the preload was before you set the sag. This will result in the back sitting up a little bit higher and turning in a little easier. Before assuming you need to adjust your ride height down a little you probably will want to take this for a ride and see how it feels for you.

right on, pre-load was a good 25 to 30 mm higher on the threads than it is now, not sure if that translates to me having raised the rear end by 25 to 35 mm but I assumed so
 
if I understood you right, I want the total FRONT sag to be the distance from when the front wheel is off the ground to when I’m sitting on it?

if that’s so then with the pre-load loosened up as far as it goes I’m getting 38 sag so one turn from the minimum most preload puts me at 35…if the total mm from front wheel off the ground to full body weight on the bike is supposed to be 30 to 35 then I’m okay, if not then I need to order a lighter spring in front I assume….or take some oil out, I had them put an extra 5 CC of oil in because I was bottoming out on hard braking with the 10.0 front springs and was thinking I may still without some extra oil by going to the 11.0 front springs….

I seriously thought the 11.0 springs would be to light still for my 270 pound rider weight…but maybe they are too stiff to get the right sag?





UPDATE***….from full loose to full tight on the front forks pre-load it only moved the bike from 3 mm of sag….it’s like no matter how much or how little pre-load you dial in it doesn’t really change the sag much off of 36 mm…any advice in that?

1. On your motool, if you can get the wheel off the ground do that and zero the tool with the wheel off the ground. Then just sitting on the bike will give you your total sag. You want your feet on the pegs in a normal riding position.
2. Oil height has zero effect on sag. Oil effects damping only.
3. If your max sag is 38 you can probably call it good. Throw a zip tie on the fork leg and see how much travel you use during your typical riding session.
4. Don’t get too caught up in sag numbers. It’s a starting point only. Use feel and total travel used to go from there.
 
right on, pre-load was a good 25 to 30 mm higher on the threads than it is now, not sure if that translates to me having raised the rear end by 25 to 35 mm but I assumed so
No, you definitely did not raise the rear the same amount you moved the preload ring down. Once you get the sag in ballpark ride it and see how it feels and make adjustments from there based on preference.
 
1. On your motool, if you can get the wheel off the ground do that and zero the tool with the wheel off the ground. Then just sitting on the bike will give you your total sag.

thanks brother…does that go for front and rear wheels, meaning get the back wheel off the ground as the zero point then sit on it just like the front?

I got the front down to 35 sag….the rear I may not be able to get more sag than the front, will check a few things tomorrow but it’s almost irrelevant because I have the strongest spring available on the back, so I suspect we’ll have to make up the difference with the electronics to balance it right.
 
thanks brother…does that go for front and rear wheels, meaning get the back wheel off the ground as the zero point then sit on it just like the front?

I got the front down to 35 sag….the rear I may not be able to get more sag than the front, will check a few things tomorrow but it’s almost irrelevant because I have the strongest spring available on the back, so I suspect we’ll have to make up the difference with the electronics to balance it right.

The rear is easier. Hook your tool up then just give the rear a gentle lift from under the subframe and read the tool. That’s your static sag. Then sit on the bike in riding position and read the tool again. Add the 2 numbers together, that’s your total sag. Around 30 is about where you want to be.
 

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