Akra price

AG6 said:

My understanding is the regular full ti system does not need mapping. Can anyone please confirm. I agree 3k is quite abit but the system is like a work of art! Worth it just to look at.

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You technically do not need mapping but you would potentially be leaving some performance on the table.

mark419ny said:

We aren't talking race teams here and I am sure chaz isn't running the up map that comes with the Dp akra exhaust. It's just as much marketing that the Dp akra cones with the upmap key. Race teams aren't using pump gas either. All im saying is the majority of the people on here won't notice a difference or improve his track lap time with the Dp akra upmap vs the akra evolution exhaust with no map. They will improve their wallet though going with evolution line

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Well now you're in subjective territory, regarding whether anyone will "notice" or "improve". There's no doubt that tuning will produce more power and optimized throttle response curves that a stock EPA-compliant map simply can't produce. Whether it's "worth it" is totally up to the individual. I know I'd never put a performance exhaust on a bike and not tune for it, regardless of whether it was the DP with Up-Map or the Evo line exhaust which I'd pair with a Rapid Bike unit. Every tuned bike I've ever had has ran cooler and had better throttle response, regardless of how much more additional power they made.

jarelj said:

Well now you're in subjective territory, regarding whether anyone will "notice" or "improve". There's no doubt that tuning will produce more power and optimized throttle response curves that a stock EPA-compliant map simply can't produce. Whether it's "worth it" is totally up to the individual. I know I'd never put a performance exhaust on a bike and not tune for it, regardless of whether it was the DP with Up-Map or the Evo line exhaust which I'd pair with a Rapid Bike unit. Every tuned bike I've ever had has ran cooler and had better throttle response, regardless of how much more additional power they made.

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Could not agree more with this comment.

lamb00j said:

thats a damn good price, 3k for the exhaust shipped... curious what the VAT is but it still is by far the cheapest I have seen

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derblott said:

That is a great price - this system is confirmed to fit the 1299, correct?

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Therein lies the problem. As far as exhausts go, that is an absolute .... price.

It hasn't been that long ago when you could get slip-ons for $300 and full systems for $1000. Now some people want $1000 just for ....... slip-ons. Then Akra comes out with this $5000 ........ for a full exhaust...which leads people to thinking "that is a great price" when they see that same exhaust for "only" $3500.

I know there was some initial R&D that went into the exhaust design, but the Panigale has been out for 4-5 years now and they have sold a ....-ton of exhausts. They (Akra) probably don't have $500-$700 tied up into that exhaust in materials and man hours. Then they sell it to dealers/vendors for $3200, which means vendors have to ask an ungodly price for a damn exhaust just to try to make some profit.

And we all know the only reason why they did that is because they can...because it goes on a Ducati. People assume/expect some type of "exotic premium" on Ducati ..... Everything from parts to oil changes, companies charge more because they can. When at the end of the day, this exhaust is no different/better than the exhausts they make for Jap bikes or anything else.

Having installed Akra, Termi, Two Bros, Comp Werks, Yoshi, Graves, Borla, Magnaflow, GMG, Stasis / Apr / BB, Tubi, Meistershaft, Fabspeed, etc on multiple vehicle platforms (motos and autos), I can confirm that Akrapovic makes a hell of an exhaust system. They ask the prices they ask because they can. The build quality and consistency of their systems is excellent from platform to platform and pretty much unrivaled. Doesn't matter if the system is for a Kawi or a Ferrari. Many of us have seen and commented on the beauty of the welds and until you have seen and felt them for yourself, you will never know just how well done it is. Form, fit, and finish is second to none. The titanium and carbon are pretty much flawless. The instructions are very well done, the hardware and fluids supplied with the package are excellent.

Their systems may not make the most HP or sound the best for one particular platform, but they are the best compromise of form, fit, finish, and function.

Some may call it kool-aid, I call it experience. Say what you want and do what you want. But just know that Akrapovic makes a great exhaust system.

I never said they didn't make a great exhaust. I said their prices are .....

I have had multiple exhausts from Akra, Graves, Yoshimura, Arrow, Leo Vince, M4, Termignoni and Racefit. They all make good exhausts, but I do think Akra is the best. However, they are NOT worth $5000.

Especially when you consider the full Akra exhausts for the new R1 or ZX10 aren't anywhere near $5000. There is no way in hell I will ever believe it costs Akra twice as much to make an exhaust for a Panigale as it does for an R1.

There is no such thing as "special Ducati Titanium" and they don't hire special welders specifically to weld the Ducati exhausts.

Akra charges an assload more for that exhaust simply because it is for a Ducati, and it is .........

Chaotic said:

I never said they didn't make a great exhaust. I said their prices are .....

I have had multiple exhausts from Akra, Graves, Yoshimura, Arrow, Leo Vince, M4, Termignoni and Racefit. They all make good exhausts, but I do think Akra is the best. However, they are NOT worth $5000.

Especially when you consider the full Akra exhausts for the new R1 or ZX10 aren't anywhere near $5000. There is no way in hell I will ever believe it costs Akra twice as much to make an exhaust for a Panigale as it does for an R1.

There is no such thing as "special Ducati Titanium" and they don't hire special welders specifically to weld the Ducati exhausts.

Akra charges an assload more for that exhaust simply because it is for a Ducati, and it is .........

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Agreed 100%.
But with the bike we have chosen we Basically have 3 options: Stock exhaust, get rid of the bike, or pay the shitload it costs to get a new exhaust. I've saved for option 3. Only because I absolutely love the bike And I spent 22 times the full system on my now ex in the last 19 months, so in the long run it's not that bad. And my 1299 will actually appreciate it

Now why on earth would you spend that much on a significant other? Stay single and spend it on yourself. Single life is the best life. Wait til you're old and nobody wants you to find someone

By the way, we have a 4th option. Phil's cored exhaust.

double0 said:

Now why on earth would you spend that much on a significant other? Stay single and spend it on yourself. Single life is the best life. Wait til you're old and nobody wants you to find someone

By the way, we have a 4th option. Phil's cored exhaust.

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.... happens, money spent without thinking of it. But it makes it easier to get money for the bike, because I still have no idea where the money went . Focusing on myself and having fun now, works a charm

There is also this option..

Prince Albert said:

There is also this option..

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No

The fact I need an aftermarket exhaust to be able to fit a belly pan for the track is complete ........!!

Prince Albert said:

There is also this option..

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double0 said:

Now why on earth would you spend that much on a significant other? Stay single and spend it on yourself. Single life is the best life. Wait til you're old and nobody wants you to find someone

By the way, we have a 4th option. Phil's cored exhaust.

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Chaotic said:

I never said they didn't make a great exhaust. I said their prices are .....

I have had multiple exhausts from Akra, Graves, Yoshimura, Arrow, Leo Vince, M4, Termignoni and Racefit. They all make good exhausts, but I do think Akra is the best. However, they are NOT worth $5000.

Especially when you consider the full Akra exhausts for the new R1 or ZX10 aren't anywhere near $5000. There is no way in hell I will ever believe it costs Akra twice as much to make an exhaust for a Panigale as it does for an R1.

There is no such thing as "special Ducati Titanium" and they don't hire special welders specifically to weld the Ducati exhausts.

Akra charges an assload more for that exhaust simply because it is for a Ducati, and it is .........

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I remember having this discussion with double0 about this. IMO, this system is overpriced and because you own a Ducati Panigale, you're left paying a premium. I don't see how this is specially crafted compared to say the 09-14 R1 dual exhaust system since they have some of the best manufacturing.

Now I can see the WSBK Akra single exit system priced at this since it's a Rev B and it's factory.

jarelj said:

Well now you're in subjective territory, regarding whether anyone will "notice" or "improve". There's no doubt that tuning will produce more power and optimized throttle response curves that a stock EPA-compliant map simply can't produce. Whether it's "worth it" is totally up to the individual. I know I'd never put a performance exhaust on a bike and not tune for it, regardless of whether it was the DP with Up-Map or the Evo line exhaust which I'd pair with a Rapid Bike unit. Every tuned bike I've ever had has ran cooler and had better throttle response, regardless of how much more additional power they made.

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Remember the days when we put an expansion chamber on our two strokes or 4 into 1's on our Kwaka 9's. No one care about any ECU tune because there was none. We perhaps got some performance gains and it was all fun. They always sounded better.

And of course it went better. It must have we just paid all that money.

Roll forward a few years. When I got my full Akra after a 4 month wait. $3400 USD. Too much hell yeah, way overpriced, perhaps. But I wanted it and a fool and his money are soon parted.

So I fitted it and as I posted in detail. Yes it sounded better. It was louder as I checked with a sound meter before and after. It is way way lighter as I weighed all parts before and after.

But did a feel a power or performance gain. No, Zero, Nada, Nil. Even at that point I was still happy as I thought still worthwhile.

Later after a custom dyno tune by Wayne Tuneboy and fitting a SBK MWR filter at the same time I picked up nearly 8 Hp. Did I notice that ? Hell yeah but that was more to do with flattening the torque curve between about 4500rpm and 6000 rpm.

I have posted all this before but thought would chime in with some thoughts. Would I do it all again. Yes. I love that exhaust but part of the process for me is fitting the parts myself, admiring the Ti, weighing parts comparing bits from OEM etc.

You make your choice, you pay your money or not. Simple. Hint for the new players. Do your own research. And buy for yourself and not what you think will impress on the forum. BTW although I have responded to Jarel, I agree with what he says it is not a counter post.

^Brad, great points. I think there is a psychological factor to the weight loss even if only 8 lbs. It is the point to modify and it is fun all the while.

The psychological factor along with the chubb factor always plays a part in future purchases and post-purchase satisfaction

RRnold said:

I remember having this discussion with double0 about this. IMO, this system is overpriced and because you own a Ducati Panigale, you're left paying a premium. I don't see how this is specially crafted compared to say the 09-14 R1 dual exhaust system since they have some of the best manufacturing.

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Exactly.

Like the dealers that charge $100+ or some .... for an oil change. Motul doesn't have some special Ducati recipe and K&N doesn't make Ducati filters out of Gold.

And don't get me started on the prices most Ducati dealerships want for the "first service".

I am ok with paying a higher price for the bike itself (1299S in my case). With that price, you get the lightest and most powerful Liter bike on the market, with advanced electronics, a great brake package, light wheels and good suspension. Because SS racing rules are very limited, I need to get the best bike available off the showroom floor, and the Panigale is it in my opinion.

But $350 for a CF fender? $5000 for an exhaust? $1100 for rearsets? I mean, where do they get off with this ........? They think because the bike is more expensive and because it is an "exotic" bike, they can charge 2-5x the normal price for everything related to it.

Such .........

I think the dealers plan in us owners having deeper pockets, no calluses, being afraid of turning wrenches, and pros at writing checks and swiping cards. I like to go against this myself. I do all my own wrenching, I'll buy any tools needed and am eager to learn. Bike setup is what I most yearn to learn!

Chaotic said:

Exactly.

Like the dealers that charge $100+ or some .... for an oil change. Motul doesn't have some special Ducati recipe and K&N doesn't make Ducati filters out of Gold.

And don't get me started on the prices most Ducati dealerships want for the "first service".

I am ok with paying a higher price for the bike itself (1299S in my case). With that price, you get the lightest and most powerful Liter bike on the market, with advanced electronics, a great brake package, light wheels and good suspension. Because SS racing rules are very limited, I need to get the best bike available off the showroom floor, and the Panigale is it in my opinion.

But $350 for a CF fender? $5000 for an exhaust? $1100 for rearsets? I mean, where do they get off with this ........? They think because the bike is more expensive and because it is an "exotic" bike, they can charge 2-5x the normal price for everything related to it.

Such .........

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You mad bro?