akrapovic myth?

BlueBear · Apr 21, 2013

so i spoken and have chased details of the akrapovic for quite a while.
as time gets closer to release i wonder still to this day weather i should get termi or akra full system.

only real reason why i get stopped from ordering akrapovic which i prefer most is the myth of CRACKING.

so tonite i done a good search and have found that people that have both system have said akrapovic so well made that they have seen termi crack before akra.

so ill ask in this forum with people that had experience with both
have you had a full akrapovic system that has CRACKED. i dont consider the CF shield as cracking. im talking about PIPE crack.

mark419ny · Apr 21, 2013

bottom line is i love the akra system but i went with termi slips. why you ask. 1 you get the upmap and every single update with it. i am not going to spend an extra say 1500 on another SS pipe from termi that decreases mid range power.

the reason i didnt get akra. 1 price. they are very very expensive but at least its a full Ti system. 2 tuning. after spending all that money on a system ( if you have the s its about 15% of the bikes price). you have to buy an auto tune and a fuel map (powercommander +auto tune or a bazzers redline whatever.) if ducati comes out with new upmaps you may not be able to use it.

the question is do you want to spend about 5k to gain a few mph on the top end. get real people not one of us can ride the bike like a pro where you would even use the difference.

your buying it for sound just get termi slips

anthem · Apr 21, 2013

mark419ny said:
bottom line is i love the akra system but i went with termi slips. why you ask. 1 you get the upmap and every single update with it. i am not going to spend an extra say 1500 on another SS pipe from termi that decreases mid range power.

the reason i didnt get akra. 1 price. they are very very expensive but at least its a full Ti system. 2 tuning. after spending all that money on a system ( if you have the s its about 15% of the bikes price). you have to buy an auto tune and a fuel map (powercommander +auto tune or a bazzers redline whatever.) if ducati comes out with new upmaps you may not be able to use it.

the question is do you want to spend about 5k to gain a few mph on the top end. get real people not one of us can ride the bike like a pro where you would even use the difference.

your buying it for sound just get termi slips

A few things - you don't have to buy auto tube and pc v. You can just get a tuned map for it and its a better option. I've used auto tune on some other bikes. It's not bad but it isn't as good as a tuned map (the concept is, the reality not do much ) You will need/want a tuned map though. If Ducati came out came out with another map are you sure you want it when you have a custom tuned map for your configuration ? The tune guys had a fixed map and +500 rpm on their maps/ecu well before ducati released their "fixed" map.

And the entire point is not to get done extra hp or mph at the top end. I think your mistaking the urban "max hp" myth with the true reason of why people get a tuned map. The reason is that you want a better power/torque curve - not Max mph or top hp number. The real benefit is getting anywhere from 10-20 hp from the mid range on up. If you see 15hp at the 5k to 9k range - that's HUGE. It's not about the extra 7 at the end - its about the extra 15 in the middle. But yes too many focus on the top number but that's not the point.

BlueBear · Apr 21, 2013

whole reason is better curve overall
im sure anyone spending this much cash isnt chasing hp for bragging rights but performance overall.

can we get this back on track
the debate for termi vs akra vs AR are in other threads lol

will akrapovic Crack

so far i have seen 2 post that people have said that they have seen termi crack but never a akrapovic
im dont want to purchase a TI that will break in 1 year use

basic · Apr 21, 2013

I had the akra full system on my last bike never had any issues. fit was perfect , finish was great , the tuning was an issue but that was cause i had the bazz when it first came out it took a couple of weeks to get it dailed in because of no tuners in the area had used it. When it was done ended up make more power then claimed peak and mid where you spend most your time was smooth and stronger. it was on the bike 3 yrs threw all weather and salt still looked new the clear on the carbon had faded some thats about it.

BlueBear · Apr 21, 2013

basic said:
I had the akra full system on my last bike never had any issues. fit was perfect , finish was great , the tuning was an issue but that was cause i had the bazz when it first came out it took a couple of weeks to get it dailed in because of no tuners in the area had used it. When it was done ended up make more power then claimed peak and mid where you spend most your time was smooth and stronger. it was on the bike 3 yrs threw all weather and salt still looked new the clear on the carbon had faded some thats about it.

this is the answer im after
validation on akra use. any faults,good, bad pts

cheers for feedback
anyone else use full evo before?

just to double check BASIC. yours was Evolution rite? full TI

akra has a few system SS and TI

DRSapp · Apr 21, 2013

I had the Akra EvoII full Ti system and PCV on my 1198s. Beautiful piece of kit. Tracked it for two years without any issues.

I went with the Termi full system as they were, of course, first to market and I figured that Ducati would be putting out a lot of Firmware upgrades on this new model so took the easy way out.

If I was looking now, I would be leaning to the Akrapovic, though still may chose the Termi for convenience. I use to love tuning - think I'm getting lazy and just want to flick the start and ride.

ShiftTechCarbon · Apr 21, 2013

The reason why there are no 1199 Akra systems for sale still is that Akrapovic wanted to perfect the pipe, so that you will not have any problems with it and that includes cracking

They will be available in May

basic · Apr 21, 2013

BlueBear said:
this is the answer im after
validation on akra use. any faults,good, bad pts

cheers for feedback
anyone else use full evo before?

just to double check BASIC. yours was Evolution rite? full TI

akra has a few system SS and TI

yeah most their systems use to come in ss or ti i got the ti mostly because i work with ss everyday sick of seeing it. no faults thats i could find for the good the welds were amazing before it was put on i took to our shop and every one was impressed by them.

mark419ny · Apr 21, 2013

anthem said:
A few things - you don't have to buy auto tube and pc v. You can just get a tuned map for it and its a better option. I've used auto tune on some other bikes. It's not bad but it isn't as good as a tuned map (the concept is, the reality not do much ) You will need/want a tuned map though. If Ducati came out came out with another map are you sure you want it when you have a custom tuned map for your configuration ? The tune guys had a fixed map and +500 rpm on their maps/ecu well before ducati released their "fixed" map.

And the entire point is not to get done extra hp or mph at the top end. I think your mistaking the urban "max hp" myth with the true reason of why people get a tuned map. The reason is that you want a better power/torque curve - not Max mph or top hp number. The real benefit is getting anywhere from 10-20 hp from the mid range on up. If you see 15hp at the 5k to 9k range - that's HUGE. It's not about the extra 7 at the end - its about the extra 15 in the middle. But yes too many focus on the top number but that's not the point.

yes i agree with you on the mid range. maybe i wasnt as clear i was referring to the termi system on that part. my bad and when i was talking to akra they said you didnt need a tune at all but who knows. price is very high

anthem · Apr 21, 2013

mark419ny said:
yes i agree with you on the mid range. maybe i wasnt as clear i was referring to the termi system on that part. my bad and when i was talking to akra they said you didnt need a tune at all but who knows. price is very high

they all say that. Look at the Austin Racing thread as well. They can't say otherwise you won't ever buy the product. You'll get an improvement just by weight but the real gains are with a proper tuned map that matches what you have on.

marior1 · Apr 21, 2013

1098/1198 termis full system had some issues with cracking where the welds were but latter fixed it with better welds. I never heard of any akro with cracking.

Gavin D · Apr 22, 2013

All due respect to above opinions but the industry premium brand is Akrapovic. Quality welds, quality materials.

The exhausts meet legal requirements unless stated with the race / evo systems. They have always produced a product which gives genuine and significant gains at mid range and top end without any extra tuning but will always perform better when tuned like any system to the individual bike. IE my pani vs your pani will be different and thats why race bikes are blue printed for max performance!

Neither Akrapovic or Termi will crack on you unless you crash and they take a significant impact. Even then they are more likely going to bend rather than crack!

Great idea! If you want the ducks nuts Pani and bragging rights get your engine blue printed and massaged. LOL

None of these options are that bad guys even the AR! LOL just some of the claims and counter claims.

kope999R · Apr 22, 2013

personally i see no reason to go AKRA.
the main gap was on last years base with stock pipe and before upmap.

i d be very much interested in seeing the current stock pipe agains the Akra.
and then the full termi system.

the weight gain as stated is against the 7KG stock termi muffler.

Panigale1199R · Apr 22, 2013

icucar · Apr 22, 2013

Hard to justify droping that much $ for the amount of gain. I do like how the cans look but still don't want to drop that much $. Termi slips for me and I'm just fine.

anthem · Apr 22, 2013

i have owned Akrapovic and multiple termi's systems (full and slips). I have never had either crack, so not sure what that does to the data points.

Also, I imagine if you had the Akrapovic crack within any reasonable amount of time, they would take care of it for you. I've had nothing but excellent service from them for the exhausts I have had from them (and even on cars).

basic · Apr 22, 2013

BlueBear said:
so i spoken and have chased details of the akrapovic for quite a while.
as time gets closer to release i wonder still to this day weather i should get termi or akra full system.

only real reason why i get stopped from ordering akrapovic which i prefer most is the myth of CRACKING.

so tonite i done a good search and have found that people that have both system have said akrapovic so well made that they have seen termi crack before akra.

so ill ask in this forum with people that had experience with both
have you had a full akrapovic system that has CRACKED. i dont consider the CF shield as cracking. im talking about PIPE crack.

i dont see where he asked to help him justify spending the money or slip on vs full system.

BlueBear · Apr 22, 2013

this post was really to help or provide information to people like me who are looking at full system.

so im spending the 4k+ regardless

akra came up being premium brand and have used there slip ons for all my bikes

but being a full system all Titanium there was this rumour. (cracking)
and this thread have answer my question and hope to answer others that are goin this way. also other threads from other forums have said the same.

this have heaps of time. wanna see other people and results if anyone go this way.
see if akra will change there exhaust from the last 6months

ducdom · Apr 22, 2013

My experience is that most titanium exhaust do develop cracks after a while due to the low fatique strength. The pounding of the exhaust pulse of the twin over time will cycle the material so it will develop cracks. Not so much with the inline 4. If you race and have lots of money titanium will do fine. If you want longevity go with stainless steel. My last titanium exhaust exploded on me on the backstraight of road atlanta on my 999. It shredded my rear tire as I came around turn 9. Not so much fun. All the 999 titanium mufflers developed stress cracks. That is just what you trade in for the weight savings. Since RA I prefer SS over Ti unless I have a factory ride.....

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