Might as well put in my €.02 too. As others have already said quite correctly "it all depends what you want." But I'll give you some info that may help.
Since you're comparing it to used bikes, there's no way the Anniversario makes sense. So just throw that one out of your consideration.
Now for the used 1299S vs. the used Pani R. The 1299 is a solid, solid bike, it would be my own personal choice. It's also faster than the Pani R due to its monster torque. Yes everyone, you read that right, a 1299 beats a Pani R. Further it can be flashed with better traction and wheelie control (EVO) than you'll ever be able to get for the R. It is without doubt the better streetbike. Hell, if you don't need to stay under a displacement limit, it's better on track, too.
But the Pani R, by comparison, has a sharp and immediate racebike character that the 1299 can't match. It's a katana to the 1299's broadsword. You have a D16RR, you understand what I mean. Have you seen the internals of the SL's engine, with the tungsten-balanced crankshaft and SBK-spec 2-ring pistons? Same as in the R. It spins up with a lightning quick character that only lightweight engine internals can give. The R also comes with the full ti Akra exhaust which is the ...., and the DDA+ data analyzer. And it has an adjustable swingarm pivot but let's be realistic you're never going to use that. What interests you is that the R is a lighter, sharper, more manic but also more thrilling, bike than the 1299.
I can see that your garage was chosen by passion rather than reason. Get the R, and if you really feel like going nuts throw on the mag wheels and carbon subframe from the SL. You'll have something every bit worthy of sharing space with your RCs. I dare you to be unsatisfied with that
Lol....now that came so close to making me change my mind
Well said !!!
Love all these people commenting on the R as a street bike when they've never even put their leg over one.
Try being well informed instead of just opinionated
The R is great as a street bike and does everything just as well as the 1299. It comes down to personal preference and riding style etc. Neither of these bikes are for everyone.
If you want something a little special/different for limited miles, wow factor and something that will truly put a grin on your face every time you ride, get the R, accept no substitute
Now can we change the record over the whole which is better on the street
Might as well put in my €.02 too. As others have already said quite correctly "it all depends what you want." But I'll give you some info that may help.
Since you're comparing it to used bikes, there's no way the Anniversario makes sense. So just throw that one out of your consideration.
Now for the used 1299S vs. the used Pani R. The 1299 is a solid, solid bike, it would be my own personal choice. It's also faster than the Pani R due to its monster torque. Yes everyone, you read that right, a 1299 beats a Pani R. Further it can be flashed with better traction and wheelie control (EVO) than you'll ever be able to get for the R. It is without doubt the better streetbike. Hell, if you don't need to stay under a displacement limit, it's better on track, too.
But the Pani R, by comparison, has a sharp and immediate racebike character that the 1299 can't match. It's a katana to the 1299's broadsword. You have a D16RR, you understand what I mean. Have you seen the internals of the SL's engine, with the tungsten-balanced crankshaft and SBK-spec 2-ring pistons? Same as in the R. It spins up with a lightning quick character that only lightweight engine internals can give. The R also comes with the full ti Akra exhaust which is the ...., and the DDA+ data analyzer. And it has an adjustable swingarm pivot but let's be realistic you're never going to use that. What interests you is that the R is a lighter, sharper, more manic but also more thrilling, bike than the 1299.
I can see that your garage was chosen by passion rather than reason. Get the R, and if you really feel like going nuts throw on the mag wheels and carbon subframe from the SL. You'll have something every bit worthy of sharing space with your RCs. I dare you to be unsatisfied with that
I agree 100%.
People say it all the time "R is better on track, S is better on street". How does one quantify "better". At the end of the day, they both suck on the street compared to bikes that are actually designed for the street (Multistrada, Monster, Hypermotard, Diavel, etc). What makes a bike good on the street are things like friendly ergos, lots of leg room, more upright seating position, good wind protection, good fuel mileage, storage space, heated grips, cruise control, no vibration, good mirrors, etc.
A Panigale has none of those. Yes you "can" ride it on the street, you can ride anything on the street. But to argue which one of these bikes is better on the street is silly, especially considering they have the same ergos, fuel economy, lack of storage space, seating position, lack of wind protection, etc. For all intents and purposes, when discussing street riding, they are the same bike. One could make an argument about the S's electronic suspension, but meh. That still doesn't make it a great street bike in the whole scheme of things.
And as far as the track is concerned, I would bet a paycheck that riding a 1299S or an 1199R back to back, 99.9% of the people on this or any forum would put down EXACTLY the same lap times. Any potential being discussed is all theoretical because none of us are capable of extracting all of the available potential out of either one of them. At the end of the day, the rider is always the limiting factor. The idea that if one plans on doing track days or racing they need to get the R is laughable. I am leading and well on my way to wrapping up a couple of Expert Regional Championships on my S.
The Ducati test rider on a 1299S was able to lap around 4secs of the lap times Chaz Davies put down on his full factory 1199R WSBK. And this was while the 1299S was in street trim...mirrors, mudflap, etc...even OEM tires.
So for any mere mortal to say one is "better" or "faster" is arguing semantics. They are both WAY more capable than any of us, myself included.
So at the end of the day, just get whichever one you like better. It honestly doesn't matter.
Might as well put in my €.02 too. As others have already said quite correctly "it all depends what you want." But I'll give you some info that may help.
Since you're comparing it to used bikes, there's no way the Anniversario makes sense. So just throw that one out of your consideration.
Now for the used 1299S vs. the used Pani R. The 1299 is a solid, solid bike, it would be my own personal choice. It's also faster than the Pani R due to its monster torque. Yes everyone, you read that right, a 1299 beats a Pani R. Further it can be flashed with better traction and wheelie control (EVO) than you'll ever be able to get for the R. It is without doubt the better streetbike. Hell, if you don't need to stay under a displacement limit, it's better on track, too.
But the Pani R, by comparison, has a sharp and immediate racebike character that the 1299 can't match. It's a katana to the 1299's broadsword. You have a D16RR, you understand what I mean. Have you seen the internals of the SL's engine, with the tungsten-balanced crankshaft and SBK-spec 2-ring pistons? Same as in the R. It spins up with a lightning quick character that only lightweight engine internals can give. The R also comes with the full ti Akra exhaust which is the ...., and the DDA+ data analyzer. And it has an adjustable swingarm pivot but let's be realistic you're never going to use that. What interests you is that the R is a lighter, sharper, more manic but also more thrilling, bike than the 1299.
I can see that your garage was chosen by passion rather than reason. Get the R, and if you really feel like going nuts throw on the mag wheels and carbon subframe from the SL. You'll have something every bit worthy of sharing space with your RCs. I dare you to be unsatisfied with that
