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Steven31371 said:
I’m as far back as the seat goes, to do that I need to be up over the rear tail fairing. Looks like my tail section is about to get covered in Stompgrip lol

Might even be worth putting the Streetfighter passenger tail on there if we are gunna be doing that, and seeing if RaceSeats can modify it to a flatter shape with a backstop.
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You are over thinking this, its not about going back further its abut raising you butt up higher flattening your back.
here is something I wrote in my bike thread when someone asked about getting on a V4

#1 thing I would say is, get a decent base setting then 100% just work on getting comfortable on the bike, getting used to the power, learn how to move yourself around the bike - this is a whole new procedure. From the time you exit the last corner getting on to the straight if you haven't gotten in a proper tuck (butt up and back, back straight, chin on tank, ends of fingers on tops of bars) you will look // feel like 85% of track day guys on sbks. Which is not a diss, its really hard to do - I am very much still working on it. But the transition from hanging on for dear life to getting comfortable with the speed is huge. I have basically stopped looking at lap times to work on these things to get to a place where the times will drop do to understanding and confidence.

this is one of the more difficult things to do, even if you look at MotoAmerica esp stk 1000, but mostly track day riders - most people on sbks look like turds on the straight (including myself, but working on it) back curved slumped over tank hanging on for dear life with helmet behind windscreen barely. The nuances of getting to full gas whilst popping up to proper tuck and posture at the same time as you click a gear to minimize movement is very difficult.

Just ride more and things will come to you but 100% the your biggest battle is not on the straight, if that is in your head then you have already lost the battle of guy on liter bike. Just as a track day rider your goal should be to be able to show the guys on smaller displacement bikes that you can go around the outside of them on the tech bits of the track before you drop them like stones on the straight. Your current thinking is just perpetuating their belief that all you can do is go fast on the straight...
 
@Steven31371 Does your jacket or suit have chest armor? I was thinking about forgoing it to maybe get a little lower.

Since we’re the same height I can definitely see some differences in our proportion. Even swearing street clothes I can’t get my elbows in front of my knees. Let alone with elbow armor. My bars need to be more forward (a more open elbow angle) or my knees lower (a more closed knee angle and more open hip angle).

I’ll have to get a pic of me on the bike similar to your pics this weekend when it’s not 15F outside.

Just messing around in the garage I have to get very personal with the backstop to get what I feel is low.
 
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@Steven31371 Does your jacket or suit have chest armor? I was thinking about forgoing it to maybe get a little lower.

Since we’re the same height I can definitely see some differences in our proportion. Even swearing street clothes I can’t get my elbows in front of my knees. Let alone with elbow armor. My bars need to be more forward (a more open elbow angle) or my knees lower (a more closed knee angle and more open hip angle).

I’ll have to get a pic of me on the bike similar to your pics this weekend when it’s not 15F outside.

Just messing around in the garage I have to get very personal with the backstop to get what I feel is low.
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No I don’t use the chest armor, just back armor, and looking at those pics I’m going to adjust my foot pegs again and raise the up and move them backward a bit, the new seat height I think has my knee angle opened up too much I think…

Yeah get the handlebars as far forward as you can until you start to lose some turn radius from either hitting the steering damper with the clipons as you rotate the steering or run out of travel in your steering damper. You may run into reservoir clearance before that though, so you may need to relocate your reservoirs.
 
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KarlKani said:
You are over thinking this, its not about going back further its abut raising you butt up higher flattening your back.
here is something I wrote in my bike thread when someone asked about getting on a V4

#1 thing I would say is, get a decent base setting then 100% just work on getting comfortable on the bike, getting used to the power, learn how to move yourself around the bike - this is a whole new procedure. From the time you exit the last corner getting on to the straight if you haven't gotten in a proper tuck (butt up and back, back straight, chin on tank, ends of fingers on tops of bars) you will look // feel like 85% of track day guys on sbks. Which is not a diss, its really hard to do - I am very much still working on it. But the transition from hanging on for dear life to getting comfortable with the speed is huge. I have basically stopped looking at lap times to work on these things to get to a place where the times will drop do to understanding and confidence.

this is one of the more difficult things to do, even if you look at MotoAmerica esp stk 1000, but mostly track day riders - most people on sbks look like turds on the straight (including myself, but working on it) back curved slumped over tank hanging on for dear life with helmet behind windscreen barely. The nuances of getting to full gas whilst popping up to proper tuck and posture at the same time as you click a gear to minimize movement is very difficult.

Just ride more and things will come to you but 100% the your biggest battle is not on the straight, if that is in your head then you have already lost the battle of guy on liter bike. Just as a track day rider your goal should be to be able to show the guys on smaller displacement bikes that you can go around the outside of them on the tech bits of the track before you drop them like stones on the straight. Your current thinking is just perpetuating their belief that all you can do is go fast on the straight...
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That’s really helpful Karl thank you, not least of which because it helps me understand that it’s a common riding problem not an ill-fitting equipment problem.

Friends don’t let Friends buy BMW’s to correct rider errors apparently 😂😂😂
 
Steven31371 said:
No I don’t use the chest armor, just back armor, and looking at those pics I’m going to adjust my foot pegs again and raise the up and move them backward a bit, the new seat height I think has my knee angle opened up too much I think…

Yeah get the handlebars as far forward as you can until you start to lose some turn radius from either hitting the steering damper with the clipons as you rotate the steering or run out of travel in your steering damper. You may run into reservoir clearance before that though, so you may need to relocate your reservoirs.
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Move them back, not up. Recheck and then if still not in the right place either move farther back or could try going up. Basically you want to rotate your pelvis and moving them up will inhibit this if you're not flexible enough. Do one thing at a time in a stepwise fashion.

As for the handlebars, only move them forward if you need to. Too far forward and you won't be able to easily tuck your elbows in and they'll be flapping in the wind.
 
Steven31371 said:
No I don’t use the chest armor, just back armor, and looking at those pics I’m going to adjust my foot pegs again and raise the up and move them backward a bit, the new seat height I think has my knee angle opened up too much I think…

Yeah get the handlebars as far forward as you can until you start to lose some turn radius from either hitting the steering damper with the clipons as you rotate the steering or run out of travel in your steering damper. You may run into reservoir clearance before that though, so you may need to relocate your reservoirs.
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I was going to use the Woodcraft clip-ons but I don't like the way the damper mount sits on the fork. They are working on revising the design though. I removed the little tab which prevents the OE clip-ons from rotating. There really isn't a lot of room to move them though, its a pretty tight package. I have R&G lock stop savers, so I can move them a bit as the stop savers very slightly reduce the left and right limits.
 
bp_SFV4 said:
I was going to use the Woodcraft clip-ons but I don't like the way the damper mount sits on the fork. They are working on revising the design though. I removed the little tab which prevents the OE clip-ons from rotating. There really isn't a lot of room to move them though, its a pretty tight package. I have R&G lock stop savers, so I can move them a bit as the stop savers very slightly reduce the left and right limits.
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I like the woodcraft clipons simply because you can remove and replace them without removing the top triple clamp. My maximum turn lock is definitely restricted turning to the left, but has enough range of motion for the track and barely enough off track, as long as you know it’s limited range of motion and don’t get surprised by it it’s fine, and for me at least worth giving up fir good ergonomics and being comfortable on the bike.
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I wrote a review to which the CEO (allegedly) responded to. I didn't get a damper bracket which looked like that. If I had, and it's what I expected to get, it would have worked. The one which you have would be perfect.

I received one which attaches to the fork leg under the clip-on bracket, not in an optimal way. The bracket doesn't have enough flat area to grab onto.

With the forks set at the OEM height for a 2021 bike, that is 4mm of gold above the top clamp, the Woodcraft bracket has maybe 2mm of flat area to grab onto.

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Don't worry, I'll happily sell them to you after I get a refund :rolleyes: but let the adults talk.

@Steven31371 is turning to the left restricted by that style damper mount? Your setup is listed as being for the 1199/1299, at least on their site. Same 53mm forks with the Ohlins and the damper mount on the frame appears to be roughly in the same spot.
 
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bp_SFV4 said:
Don't worry, I'll happily sell them to you after I get a refund :rolleyes: but let the adults talk.

@Steven31371 is turning to the left restricted by that style damper mount? Your setup is listed as being for the 1199/1299, at least on their site. Same 53mm forks with the Ohlins and the damper mount on the frame appears to be roughly in the same spot.
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Yes it is, but not so much that I care, if it were an all the time street bike I would, but the limited range of motion in exchange for a better riding position is worth it at the track.

Eventually I’ll relocate the steering damper altogether
 
I am swapping my IMA clip ons to a much easier to adjust Spider setup, I used to use Woodcraft but honestly all her bits are like relics from the early 2000s as far as design goes
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I got I got the 42mm offset version (similar to IM offset) and the 25mm offset to try
also figured it was time to get the the bar angle measuring tool
 
KarlKani said:
I am swapping my IMA clip ons to a much easier to adjust Spider setup, I used to use Woodcraft but honestly all her bits are like relics from the early 2000s as far as design goesView attachment 48099




I got I got the 42mm offset version (similar to IM offset) and the 25mm offset to try
also figured it was time to get the the bar angle measuring tool
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The bar angle measuring tool will change your life 💥 Although, it may be some time between usages 🤣
 
KarlKani said:
I am swapping my IMA clip ons to a much easier to adjust Spider setup, I used to use Woodcraft but honestly all her bits are like relics from the early 2000s as far as design goesView attachment 48099




I got I got the 42mm offset version (similar to IM offset) and the 25mm offset to try
also figured it was time to get the the bar angle measuring tool
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Loctite the bolt that acts as a hinge, for the steering damper bracket.
 
SuperDomestique said:
Haha! bp, you’re a hypocrite, wrapped in a contradiction, inside an oxymoron 😜

Steven, it might be worth going back to basics. When it comes to this kind of stuff maybe less is more. (I tried to get all fancy w that Italian seat and look where it got me… huge pain in my ass) You don’t see Fabio trying to gain an edge by resorting to gadgets and stick on parts that make the tank look like a sex contraption (you guys know know what I’m talking about 😉). They just employ solid body positioning and riding fundamentals that they’ve honed over 10s of years of riding. In a nutshell, it takes time. Don’t rush the process. Anyway, that my two cents. Take it or leave it.
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They are also 150 pounds riding bikes that are made for their size, and they do in fact rely on stick on gadgets pretty similar to mine to get the bike set up right for them lol

I dunno man, getting the ergonomics of a bike set up properly for the riders size and weight and ability seems pretty basic to me lol, I’m not sure what’s more basic than that.
 
bp_SFV4 said:
How's that seat sale going?

I think anyone is best to leave SuperDomestique's advice. Especially that dribble where he as a 5'-2" boy tries to advise a 6'-3" man how best to fit on a bike and then later compares same to a MotoGP world champion on a bespoke bike.
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Well, the guy suggesting that the 6’3”/250lb rider can “pretty much” ride the bike setup for a 5’10”/150lb rider, is the same guy who asserted that a 200hp/200kg bike performs “pretty much” like a 300hp/150kg bike.

Super-D!
 
craig bush said:
Well, the guy suggesting that the 6’3”/250lb rider can “pretty much” ride the bike setup for a 5’10”/150lb rider, is the same guy who asserted that a 200hp/200kg bike performs “pretty much” like a 300hp/150kg bike.

Super-D!
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Oh Craig… you don’t see Pecco on his training V4S with a special tank or extension or any other ........ stuck to this bike. In fact, I’d bet Pecco’s training bike is more lightly modified than some of the bikes on here. Makes you wonder…
 
SuperDomestique said:
Oh Craig… you don’t see Pecco on his training V4S with a special tank or extension or any other ........ stuck to this bike. In fact, I’d bet Pecco’s training bike is more lightly modified than some of the bikes on here. Makes you wonder…
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I think you have no clue how much of a gap there is between even a top amateur in any sport compared to a professional athlete. And I’m definitely not even close to a top amateur lol

If you played basketball with the last guy on the bench in the NBA you’d think you were out there with a mythical creature, a super hero with super powers compared to everyone else out there on the court, same thing if you wrestle or role JiuJitsu with a professional fighter. Both of which I’ve done when I was younger and at the height of my physical powers. The gap between someone who does something professionally fir 8 hours a day for decades compared to a weekend warrior even if that weekend warrior is very talented is monumental. It’s beyond comprehension unless you’ve directly experienced it.

For sure I agree with the base sentiment that it’s not the bike or the mods that will make most of us go faster.

But if you actually believe that setting up a bike ergonomically to fit you better isn’t a good direction to go in….
 
Of course it's a good idea. You want to have the most fun you can on track and do whatever you feel like doing to be comfortable and enjoy it, assuming your not competing.

As for the difference between pro and amateur, I am an ex-pro golfer (by ex-pro I mean many, many, MANY years ago - teenage years) and I'm old and rubbish now, but I can still pick up my girlfriend's little toothpick ladies driver and knock it past most decent amateurs and a good few club pros. I also haven't forgotten how to hit some tricky shots learned with the old clubs and balls that most young players wouldn't have a clue how to hit. Yes, I'm that awesome... ;) I am also capable of some appalling shots that I couldn't have imagined hitting when I was younger, which is nice. 🤣

But yes, a pro will be able to get the absolute most out of whatever equipment you give them, but they will also go to great lengths to ensure that the equipment they use in competition works for them to the highest degree possible. When I was young we would spend hours going through boxes of shafts to find the straightest ones, then go through testing each one of them to find the one that was best... for each club.

The moral of the story is... do whatever makes you happy as the goal is to have fun.
 

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