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LOL ..... A GREAT LITTLE READ! .... FANBOYS TAKE NOTE :D

Rich you're naughty little boy. Ever heard the story of the boy who cried wolf?

Continue to lie and those that do listen now may not in the future. So while you still have a few fanboys supporting you blindly here my advice is to go away and stop lying.

History repeats itself........

23/11/2009 Aprilia Forum AF1

Product information vs. advertising explained
There has been a bit of discussion as of late about the differences between pushing one's own products and providing information about available products.

AF1 has never, nor will we ever, ban people, or otherwise delete or disallow threads posted for informational purposes on new products, competitors products, etc.

People who own their own businesses that sell products that compete with the offerings of AF1 Racing, and who choose to get some free advertising by using our forum to sell their products, will get warned, then banned.

AF1 Racing has worked very hard to build and maintain this forum, and we pay for all associated software, bandwidth, server hosting, etc out of our own pocket. For another company to use this media free of cost to push their own product is unacceptable.

Obviously the main issue here has been the MRGRN and Rich22 debacle. The result has been people thinking that they can't discuss the PCV. This is not true at all. Both Rich and Mrgrn took every opportunity to mislead other forum members, saying that we would ban them etc for discussing products. This was purely retaliation for us not allowing them to push their own products on our site. They have both been permanently banned due to their persistent quest to make AF1 out to be censors of all information.

We don't take kindly to these guys using our bandwidth to bad talk us, and try to turn people against us.

Ducati forum.co.uk Various posts from last year.

"We stopped running Austin exhausts on the RSV4's we ran in BSB in 2009. Less power, more noise than Akrapovic, and blew cans apart with monotonous regularity."

"Most of his Hp claims mysteriously only happen on his own dyno. Nobody else i knew that dynoed the ape versions seemed to get the same figures or even that close. ?"

"Careful he might threaten to sue you. Some of the guys who said detrimental things on the Aprilia Forum got threatening or abusuve messages."

" Originally Posted by Rich22
David
Ok i was told that this rubbish was being spouted out by you!!
You and i both know it to be totally untrue.
Austinracing exhausts outperform the Akra system's and we have not had 1 failure world wide. We decided to stop working with Splitlath for obvious reasons.
We have outsold Akrapovich for the RSV4 on our products reputation.
Not sure what your problem is but your remarks are unfounded and childish.

Spoonz, lets not get started again!

Sadly Rich, thats totally untrue.....we were ALWAYS having cans blow apart, and failing noise tests, and consistantly we got more power with the Akrapovic pipes than with yours...I have no axe to grind with you, its just a fact. Same with the rearsets...as I said, your exhausts took much longer to remove because we had to fiddle around with the poor quality of fitting used to hold them on the footpeg...with the Akra's we had no such issue as they were not mounted on the pegs.....end of.......
And what were the "obvious reasons" you stopped having them on the Splitlath bikes?"

"IF I'd have had an axe to grind with or about Rich, I'd have said so....but my post was based purely on the facts. I myself removed a number of cans from the Splitlath bikes which had failed, so I not only know that we DID have them fail, but also DYNO'd the bikes at various BSB rounds, and saw that CONSISTANTLY, in back to back tests on the same dyno within minutes of each other, the Akrapovic pipes produced MORE power and LESS noise ( "Austinracing exhausts outperform the Akra system's and we have not had 1 failure world wide" ) making this statement completely untrue...sorry Rich, thats not aimed personally, its just the facts of the matter...so how on EARTH you can claim your exhausts outperform Akra's, when you yourself, KNOWING we were using Akra's, INSISTED we put Austin Racing stickers on them, I just dont know. What I CAN say, is that in the end, Hudson Kennaugh INSISTED they were removed and Akrapovic systems used instead . Best you get off your soapbox."

"Lol...ok Rich......believe your own hype then....I was there when they failed, I took them off the RSV-4's......and YOU know that, cos YOU insisted we put YOUR stickers on the Akrapovic cans ffs.......sadly, the more you wriggle, the more idiotic your claims look...and now I'm getting pissed off with these lies you are putting here about superior product and never having had a failure...YOU KNOW THAT IS UNTRUE."
 
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no one has lied here. perhaps you Rich have fibbed? that's why you were banned from Aprilia forum as well?

also, in terms of "there intellectual short comings", it's actually THEIR INTELLECTUAL SHORTCOMINGS -- not "there" and not "short" and "comings".

get it? attack someone, but firstly make sure you've got the goods, both in terms of product and intellectual capacity.


for e.g.:

"IF I'd have had an axe to grind with or about Rich, I'd have said so....but my post was based purely on the facts. I myself removed a number of cans from the Splitlath bikes which had failed, so I not only know that we DID have them fail, but also DYNO'd the bikes at various BSB rounds, and saw that CONSISTANTLY, in back to back tests on the same dyno within minutes of each other, the Akrapovic pipes produced MORE power and LESS noise ( "Austinracing exhausts outperform the Akra system's and we have not had 1 failure world wide" ) making this statement completely untrue...sorry Rich, thats not aimed personally, its just the facts of the matter...so how on EARTH you can claim your exhausts outperform Akra's, when you yourself, KNOWING we were using Akra's, INSISTED we put Austin Racing stickers on them, I just dont know. What I CAN say, is that in the end, Hudson Kennaugh INSISTED they were removed and Akrapovic systems used instead . Best you get off your soapbox.
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Results: correct as we post them and indeed Copia has posted his within this actual thread.

No re design required simply searching for more, as always in engineering.


Not going to waste anymore of my breath on a few narrow minded argumentative sad lying individuals that chose to make up crap as they see fit and attempt to blame me for there intellectual short comings.

Trauma, very very disappointing!


Laters!!!
 
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Results: correct as we post them and indeed Copia has posted his within this actual thread.

No re design required simply searching for more, as always in engineering.


Not going to waste anymore of my breath on a few narrow minded argumentative sad lying individuals that chose to make up crap as they see fit and attempt to blame me for there intellectual short comings.

Trauma, very very disappointing!


Laters!!!

Don't quite understand your response "re design"? As for Copyia, yes, he did post results:

" just installed the rapid bike module with the AR exhaust.

The bike is now un rideable due to what appears to be a serious starving issue.
"
 
Here are the links to the 2 threads referenced by Gavin above:

Product information vs. advertising explained

Aftermarket Panigale goodies due soon

I am a firm believer in allowing members to read the entire thread and form their own conclusions, not just copying one post here or there to prove a point. Some might consider that "cherry picking."

I for one am happy that the grand finale is only one day away. WAf, may the force be with you.;)
 
Here are the links to the 2 threads referenced by Gavin above:

Product information vs. advertising explained

Aftermarket Panigale goodies due soon

I am a firm believer in allowing members to read the entire thread and form their own conclusions, not just copying one post here or there to prove a point. Some might consider that "cherry picking."

I for one am happy that the grand finale is only one day away. WAf, may the force be with you.;)

I am not sure of the purpose of this post, to help or hurt Rich. I just followed that first link, and there was no "cherry picking", he was pretty bad on that first one, and when banned, 99% agreed he should have been. Pushing his product and bad mouthing everything else, coincidently or not, same issue here. Except there, doing it on the actual competitor's site.

Another "cherry":
"The ban was waaaay overdue IMHO. Those two were here for one purpose only - to push their products; and in an offensive manner, trash-talking each other as well as 'dissing AF1, the site owner f'chissakes.

Morons."
 
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I am not sure of the purpose of this post, to help or hurt Rich. I just followed that first link, and there was no "cherry picking", he was pretty bad on that first one, and when banned, 99% agreed he should have been. Pushing his product and bad mouthing everything else, coincidently or not, same issue here. Except there, doing it on the actual competitor's site.

I am not here to help or hurt anyone. I searched for the whole loaf of bread as we were fed breadcrumbs earlier, and posted it for all to see so that they can form their own conclusions.

I am here for the info. Here to learn. Here to support WAf in his efforts for finding the truth. We have one more day till the exhaust drama is laid to rest. The rest of the drama, I could car less about.
 
LOL ..... A GREAT LITTLE READ! .... FANBOYS TAKE NOTE :D

Rich you're naughty little boy. Ever heard the story of the boy who cried wolf?

Continue to lie and those that do listen now may not in the future. So while you still have a few fanboys supporting you blindly here my advice is to go away and stop lying.

History repeats itself........

23/11/2009 Aprilia Forum AF1

Product information vs. advertising explained
There has been a bit of discussion as of late about the differences between pushing one's own products and providing information about available products.

AF1 has never, nor will we ever, ban people, or otherwise delete or disallow threads posted for informational purposes on new products, competitors products, etc.

People who own their own businesses that sell products that compete with the offerings of AF1 Racing, and who choose to get some free advertising by using our forum to sell their products, will get warned, then banned.

AF1 Racing has worked very hard to build and maintain this forum, and we pay for all associated software, bandwidth, server hosting, etc out of our own pocket. For another company to use this media free of cost to push their own product is unacceptable.

Obviously the main issue here has been the MRGRN and Rich22 debacle. The result has been people thinking that they can't discuss the PCV. This is not true at all. Both Rich and Mrgrn took every opportunity to mislead other forum members, saying that we would ban them etc for discussing products. This was purely retaliation for us not allowing them to push their own products on our site. They have both been permanently banned due to their persistent quest to make AF1 out to be censors of all information.

We don't take kindly to these guys using our bandwidth to bad talk us, and try to turn people against us.

Ducati forum.co.uk Various posts from last year.

"We stopped running Austin exhausts on the RSV4's we ran in BSB in 2009. Less power, more noise than Akrapovic, and blew cans apart with monotonous regularity."

"Most of his Hp claims mysteriously only happen on his own dyno. Nobody else i knew that dynoed the ape versions seemed to get the same figures or even that close. ?"

"Careful he might threaten to sue you. Some of the guys who said detrimental things on the Aprilia Forum got threatening or abusuve messages."

" Originally Posted by Rich22
David
Ok i was told that this rubbish was being spouted out by you!!
You and i both know it to be totally untrue.
Austinracing exhausts outperform the Akra system's and we have not had 1 failure world wide. We decided to stop working with Splitlath for obvious reasons.
We have outsold Akrapovich for the RSV4 on our products reputation.
Not sure what your problem is but your remarks are unfounded and childish.

Spoonz, lets not get started again!

Sadly Rich, thats totally untrue.....we were ALWAYS having cans blow apart, and failing noise tests, and consistantly we got more power with the Akrapovic pipes than with yours...I have no axe to grind with you, its just a fact. Same with the rearsets...as I said, your exhausts took much longer to remove because we had to fiddle around with the poor quality of fitting used to hold them on the footpeg...with the Akra's we had no such issue as they were not mounted on the pegs.....end of.......
And what were the "obvious reasons" you stopped having them on the Splitlath bikes?"

"IF I'd have had an axe to grind with or about Rich, I'd have said so....but my post was based purely on the facts. I myself removed a number of cans from the Splitlath bikes which had failed, so I not only know that we DID have them fail, but also DYNO'd the bikes at various BSB rounds, and saw that CONSISTANTLY, in back to back tests on the same dyno within minutes of each other, the Akrapovic pipes produced MORE power and LESS noise ( "Austinracing exhausts outperform the Akra system's and we have not had 1 failure world wide" ) making this statement completely untrue...sorry Rich, thats not aimed personally, its just the facts of the matter...so how on EARTH you can claim your exhausts outperform Akra's, when you yourself, KNOWING we were using Akra's, INSISTED we put Austin Racing stickers on them, I just dont know. What I CAN say, is that in the end, Hudson Kennaugh INSISTED they were removed and Akrapovic systems used instead . Best you get off your soapbox."

"Lol...ok Rich......believe your own hype then....I was there when they failed, I took them off the RSV-4's......and YOU know that, cos YOU insisted we put YOUR stickers on the Akrapovic cans ffs.......sadly, the more you wriggle, the more idiotic your claims look...and now I'm getting pissed off with these lies you are putting here about superior product and never having had a failure...YOU KNOW THAT IS UNTRUE."


:eek: Yikes I thought Rich had some questions to answer but....
 
Can someone please let me know if I'm correct in my understanding of the AR exhaust that is the source of this unrest:
  • Lighter than any of the other full exhaust options
  • Questionable performance gains in comparison to other brands
  • Different aesthetically to other options
  • Different, possibly better, materials used in construction
  • Comparable pricing to other full systems

Is the above correct?
 
you guys are going to be so pissed tomorrow may 6 when Wafa reveals that.....IT WAS ALL A JOKE, he doesnt even have a motorcycle...
 
Can someone please let me know if I'm correct in my understanding of the AR exhaust that is the source of this unrest:
  • Lighter than any of the other full exhaust options
  • Questionable performance gains in comparison to other brands
  • Different aesthetically to other options
  • Different, possibly better, materials used in construction
  • Comparable pricing to other full systems

Is the above correct?

Lighter - no mufflers, straight pipe, so yes
Questionable? - putting it mildly
Different - yes. The OEM/Termi/Akra are similar in shape, all others are different.
Materials better? - Comes in stainless or Inconel - depends who you ask when Inconel is compared to Titanium
Price - higher than most when you include all the options, and especially the required RapidBike
 
It makes me laugh how much time and energy has been wasted on this witch hunt. I am more curious what Trauma, ttkarp, stw, etc... have to gain from any "win" and what that "win" would look like.

Per our previous back and forth, you have every right to post all this obnoxiousness, so feel free... But what is the end result you are looking for to squash it? AR stop selling pani exhausts? Public, worldwide apology to Termi and Akra? Going out of business? Lets get some stuff down on paper.
 
It makes me laugh how much time and energy has been wasted on this witch hunt. I am more curious what Trauma, ttkarp, stw, etc... have to gain from any "win" and what that "win" would look like.

Per our previous back and forth, you have every right to post all this obnoxiousness, so feel free... But what is the end result you are looking for to squash it? AR stop selling pani exhausts? Public, worldwide apology to Termi and Akra? Going out of business? Lets get some stuff down on paper.

Simple, as I have been saying - I would like him to admit he lied/mis-led, whatever, and apologize. Or as I said, just stay off this thread (as he promised twice), and I will as well. :)
 
It makes me laugh how much time and energy has been wasted on this witch hunt. I am more curious what Trauma, ttkarp, stw, etc... have to gain from any "win" and what that "win" would look like.

Per our previous back and forth, you have every right to post all this obnoxiousness, so feel free... But what is the end result you are looking for to squash it? AR stop selling pani exhausts? Public, worldwide apology to Termi and Akra? Going out of business? Lets get some stuff down on paper.

Lard.... All I can say is this.... If you truly need to ask these questions then I really think you may want to reconsider even being on a forum.. I mean to you whats the point???.. we are here to discuss all things related to our bikes and here we have a seller hyping a product abusing the trust of fellows members and actually suggesting the forum should be controlled to his liking...furthermore it appears that he has been caught being... at the very least disingenuous and even possibly lying... and not for the first time.. and sadly I am sure not the last... and you question WHY we feel aggrieved??? I really don't know what to tell you if you cant figure that out......
 
Simple, as I have been saying - I would like him to admit he lied/mis-led, whatever, and apologize. Or as I said, just stay off this thread (as he promised twice), and I will as well. :)

That seems fair. I appreciate you answering the question.
 
Lard.... All I can say is this.... If you truly need to ask these questions then I really think you may want to reconsider even being on a forum.. I mean to you whats the point???.. we are here to discuss all things related to our bikes and here we have a seller hyping a product abusing the trust of fellows members and actually suggesting the forum should be controlled to his liking...furthermore it appears that he has been caught being... at the very least disingenuous and even possibly lying... and not for the first time.. and sadly I am sure not the last... and you question WHY we feel aggrieved??? I really don't know what to tell you if you cant figure that out......

Personally attacking me just speaks to your character. Somewhere in your rant and insults you actually answered the question, so thanks.
 
Personally attacking me just speaks to your character. Somewhere in your rant and insults you actually answered the question, so thanks.

This was no rant ... I think it was a very reasonable point of view,, and I am sorry you see it thus...
 
forum |ˈfôrəm| noun
1 a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged:
2 a court or tribunal.
3 (in an ancient Roman city) a public square or marketplace used for judicial and other business.

Thanks to Rich we went tending from definition 1 to definition 2.

(And I won't get into the neo-Roman end of Western Empires due to sociopathic politicians and the global financial institutions that own them and their out of control CNTRL+P central bankers.)

(Not to be confused with the definition for "straight" which is NA when it comes to straight pipes a la AR ;) )
 

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