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sifubs said:
Could Rich have been referring to a dyno chart (from sep 2012)that compared akra to termi to make his claim since the Akra wasn't available to the general public?

I'll give Rich the benefit of the doubt(that there was some foundation for his opinion) and while its a different bike and dyno the difference to the Termi is whats important and can be used for comparison. Unfortunately, none of us regular folks will ever be able to get answers from Akra on how this chart was created or if it's even real.

In any event did anyone ask rich then to substantiate his opinion and if the evidence wasn't presented or was presented but wasn't reasonable it's up to the individual to dismiss the claim.

Kinda odd to bring it up now if it wasn't questioned then and if it was questioned then why be upset as this should have planted doubt in your mind.
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It was only brought up now, because his post of just a few posts back, stated how he is tired of saying over and over that Akra has their comparison of the Termi posted on the Akra's site, (which it does not) so he can post his comparisons and results making Termi look bad. And if he was basing his statement that the AR exhaust is better than Akra's based on an unsubstantiated dyno chart, floating around the Internet, that is even worse. Especially when he has argued Waf's results were because they were under entirely differnent conditions then his. He needs to stay off the forums (for his own well being), or at least stop making up claims, and stop attacking other products. Sell his exhaust on its own merits, rather than having to belittle everyone else's.
 
You guys need to get a life. FFS it is a bit of metal tube to get exhaust gas out of your engine.
 
Jariva said:
You guys need to get a life. FFS it is a bit of metal tube to get exhaust gas out of your engine.
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At last someone with a sense of humour:)

Trauma

I was simply saying that we had all seen the graph comparing the Akra and Termi system that someone posted and has now been re posted. It shows that comparisons are made by manufacturers. It was not meant to start another war!
Please can we leave it at that.

In answer to your question on our system yes it makes incredible mid power without any inserts, we are still working on ways to reproduce that power curve whilst getting the db levels lower. Some like it loud but we will try to please everyone.

Please go to the other thread to discuss this kind of thing.
 
There's been a great deal of humour in this thread already from the begining, and some great debate.

Rich you've bowed out of this thread a number of times, its up to us where we post, and its up to you whether you want to engage. This thread will continue to run for a while yet ;)


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Stw said:
So......
Does this finally put a stop to AR's claims of superiority..numbers wise...over all the competition?? Personally I think the Zard is fugly and would never put that on my bike..but the numbers are hard to argue with??? That mid range is immense... :)
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You aren't questioning the Zard figures then? ;)
 
SPJ said:
You aren't questioning the Zard figures then? ;)
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Vendor claims vs vendor claims...Apples to Apples..No?? Neither are proven and both can claim you need specific circumstances to achieve said results..So as a consumer this is all I can use... No?? We have already had a loooong discussion about claims vs reality...A lot of posters have argued that we should always accept that sellers will show their products in the best light...No doubts about that..been shown I think... So if we take this back to manufacturers numbers and work from there then Zard is looking really great..Mid range especially.... We have heard so many times not to just look for peak power numbers and look at low/mid range..so I am.. Looks sweet to me...Fugly..but apparently effective...
 
WAfatboy said:
There's been a great deal of humour in this thread already from the begining, and some great debate.

Rich you've bowed out of this thread a number of times, its up to us where we post, and its up to you whether you want to engage. This thread will continue to run for a while yet ;)


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I bow out only due to the amount of argumentative non constructive posts. If it stayed on topic and stays constructive I'm sure a speak for a lot of members when I say we will stick around.
 
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Training wheels at a new track

Took the bike to the track last weekend, gopro so not great sound, and I'm taking it real easy as it was the first time out there but you get the idea. If you can live with loud pipes then it does sound unreal, no arguments. I'm trying to source some trackside video from a mate who was trackside.

Collie Lap - YouTube

(No jokes about how fast I'm circulating or that I got distracted in the chicane :p)
 
These are the 2 statements I have issue with. The claim that it beats all, even those AR has not tested, or not even out yet. And the frequent claims that Akra is doing the same as him with the comparisons. Akrapovich makes no claims, they rest on their quite impressive reputation and laurels, which I would have repected AR better if they had. Both companies have an imressive record, but a lot of the crap in these posts was caused by some claims that are impossible for any customer (to date) to fully substantiate.


"What I'm saying is that at 6-7k fully open without insert baffling it out performs any other system including the akra"

" You can see the same on the Akrapovich website. (Lost count of how many times I have stated this)."
 
Ok so you have you considered we work with a few uk bsb teams that were perhaps given the Akra prototypes! That perhaps we were able to see the figures and talk with the riders and perhaps even test!

Give it a rest, it's old old news, move on!

Buy the Akra, buy the Termi but please stop searching for an argument.
 
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Rich,

We have done business before, and your service and customer support is 1199%, what I would like to ask is what fuel unit and tuning did you use to reach your website's advertised 191 rear wheel hp and lb.ft. numbers for the Panigale?

I have your Rapidbike RACE module, a full Termi system, and a MWR race filter and I have full time access to a DYNO that has the high volume fans for the intake air needed. Even if I were to remove the termi slip-ons and dyno the bike (removal of the termi cans is the closest to alleviating the back pressure), making it as close as possible to the AR type system - what else would I need to replicate +/- 5% your results?

Are you using pump gas or race fuel?
I have your updated AR Map installed in the unit.

Thanks Rich.

George Villar
 
Hi George
Yes I remember chatting with you re the pani and v4.

For our Panigale tunes we use pump fuel 97-98 octane, and the Rapidbike race unit.
We find the bikes peak power does vary from around 185-191. We also find the bikes peak figures climb drastically once the bike has had time spent on it mapping thus the oil is well up to temperature. You must unplug the rear wheel speed sensor and turn off all the electronic aids. Run it in 195 hi mode.
Fan speed to the front intakes of around 150mph.
We also find, as with any bike, air temperature has a large affect on power figures. Cold air will see up to a 5bhp increase.
We run many final power runs until we see a consistency in the peak readings to give you a final figure.
I'm not sure removing the silencers will work as you will be losing a massive amount of length.

Do you still race George? Mid range is more important if your mapping for the track.
Info: I can do the RB dyno software pack for £200 if required.
 
Rich22 said:
I bow out only due to the amount of argumentative non constructive posts. If it stayed on topic and stays constructive I'm sure a speak for a lot of members when I say we will stick around.
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So Rich... are you in or out of this thread??:rolleyes:

You keep demanding respect here and that's funny to me because you never give any.....

How about giving kudos to Zards system and the impressive numbers they are claiming?? How about saying the Akra pipe.. although untested... is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship?? Try it..you may find that you garner more respect that way...

I have absolutely no doubt your system sounds and looks amazing.. and as far as I know its the only one that's made of Inconel... The Hp/Tq may not be the greatest but that may not have been so pertinent had you not hanged your hat on that and continue to do so.. You have used this forum to sell your product..I have no issue with that at all...but be aware that having done so you have voluntarily engaged the forum in reviewing your product and its such a shame you didn't handle the questions/comments/concerns of members with more style and grace...
 
No problem, here goes.

First answer as AR professional opinion.
Akra systems are always top quality and do what they say they do.
Zard systems I have little knowledge of but would be very interested in testing 1 back to back to check the midrange graph comparisons. Looked well made when I saw them in Milan.


Second answer as a pani owner and a punter.

Akra system, uninspiring looks no better than the stocks and not as good as the termi systems so why would I buy that! Expensive.

Zard system!!! Are you having a laugh, underseat cans on a Panigale, sorry not for me :eek:

There you go, hope I have not offended anyone.

Oh no what have I done :rolleyes:
 
bottom line is no one will reproduce AR's dyno results because the SCIENCE behind AR's Pani pipes is not based on optimization of this particular bike. that is why now Rich will (hopefully) redesign his system as he mentioned before.

i know if i was stuck with an AR straight pipe for a bike that absolutely must have back pressure (e.g. ZARD), then I'd be expecting full refund, inclusive of all shipping (and still WAf is out on all that dyno time!).

it's just so simple and requires no more public posting by Rich, save for a PUBLIC APOLOGY for his unprofessional responses and a product that clearly does NOT work as advertised.
 
Rich22 said:
Oh no what have I done :rolleyes:
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IMHO When it comes to your opinion on products with which you compete I'm sure we'd all be grateful if you restricted yourself to a professional opinion. As 'punter and Pani owner' its fair game on unrelated topics.

Also please don't act coy, we all know you are always one post away from screaming for us all to be banned. I'm running the bike on the dyno again tomorrow and I'd like to be able to post the results and my thoughts without the ....-fight that normally ensues.
 
Rich22 said:
Ok so you have you considered we work with a few uk bsb teams that were perhaps given the Akra prototypes!
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I guess, the whole tangled web thing applies to you. Now you are implying you had access to an Akra back in November! OMG, Rich, really, stop with the lies. Either apologize, or get off "our" thread (we gave you your very own at your request) that you "bowed" off of twice, ordered posters to be banned, and then threatened legal action.

If you must post here (which obviously you must), please leave Termi and Akra out of your posts. They are in a totally different league than you, and I am not referring to their products. Which BTW, are less expensive (for the entire package), legal on most tracks/geographies, and don't require all the following to achieve their stated performance:

  1. Lots of time on a UK based dyno
  2. RB Module
  3. 98 Octane gas
  4. 150 mhp air flow
  5. Cold intake air (new)

PS If you stop posting here, I will as well, unless asked a direct question.
 
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Results: correct as we post them and indeed Copia has posted his within this actual thread.

No re design required simply searching for more, as always in engineering.


Not going to waste anymore of my breath on a few narrow minded argumentative sad lying individuals that chose to make up crap as they see fit and attempt to blame me for there intellectual short comings.

Trauma, very very disappointing!


Laters!!!
 

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