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If they release a RACE SPEC of this caliber and a road version I am def in for the RACE SPEC .... Hopefull the suspension and all isn't just for show and they pass it down on the race for sale version .... This is a masterpiece .. Btw the one they've been showing is the RACE SPEC
 
Taste is a relative thing but BMW will never look as good as Panigale wtth standard exhaust.
Performance wise S1000RR/HP4 is a great bike but I hope Panigale will be even better.
 
The thing that always annoyed me about up spec Ducatis is the thousands of dollars (at least according to Ducati's pricing) of carbon fiber that serves absolutely no performance purpose on a bike ridden by someone that isn't a professional.

So BMW and Ducati both decided to slap even more carbon fiber on their halo bikes. Kinda funny how Aprilia decided to make bikes built to order by their race division available to the public and BMW and Ducati decided "Let's add some more carbon fiber. They love carbon fiber."
 
they didnt release a lot of info. i heard more detail coming soon in next spring. will see how good it is. but i heard someone say $37000 or something so if thats true i might get one since i cant get full carbon 1299 SL for 100k lol
 
With the way that one is setup the front end is almost 20k alone. It would be cool to see them make a street version of this bike, give it dynamic ohlins and the carbon, they could be onto something
 
BTrain5489 said:
The thing that always annoyed me about up spec Ducatis is the thousands of dollars (at least according to Ducati's pricing) of carbon fiber that serves absolutely no performance purpose on a bike ridden by someone that isn't a professional.

So BMW and Ducati both decided to slap even more carbon fiber on their halo bikes. Kinda funny how Aprilia decided to make bikes built to order by their race division available to the public and BMW and Ducati decided "Let's add some more carbon fiber. They love carbon fiber."
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Not entirely true.

When you talk about making CF frames, swingarms, gas tanks, etc...you are talking about dropping the weight of the bike for racing purposes. Dropping the weight is an easier (relatively speaking) way to get more acceleration out of the bike, without going into the motor. It is an easier way to get the bike to handle better. It is an easier way to get the bike to stop faster, without modifying the brake components. Replacing things with CF is a great way to improve every aspect of the performance of the motorcycle.

They dont "add" CF to those bikes, they REPLACE things with CF...that is a huge difference.

What is dumb as hell is when people will ADD CF to bikes, in places where absolutely nothing was needed. Like the CF plate things people add to the top of the Triples, or adding a CF chain guard (when most people just take them off), or a CF kickstand, or CF mirrors (CF mirrors, really?), so on and so forth.

The idea of CF is to replace things that otherwise would be made of a heavier material, to make the bike lighter for racing. That is exactly what Ducati (and now BMW) have done. Adding a bunch of CF where is isnt needed, or where completely removing something would have been better, is silly.

I see it all the time on street bikes and it looks dumb as hell. All kinds of cheap CF trinkets and .... on street bikes is the bike world's equivalent to the guy that takes his truck to Autozone or Walmart and adds all kinds of cheap chrome trinkets and ........ accessories to it.

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Speedhaus said:
2017 CBR100RR.......Just saying....
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The 2017 CBR1000RR is the bike Honda should have released in 2011.

It will still be 15-20hp down to the R1, Panigale, ZX10, BMW and Aprilia. The electronics package is inferior to those bikes also.

If they would have released that new CBR in 2011, they would have been "with the times". But they didnt.
 
At Ecima compared to the Superleggera you could walk past it, just black carbon wasn't exactly exciting to look at!
 
Chaotic said:
Not entirely true.

When you talk about making CF frames, swingarms, gas tanks, etc...you are talking about dropping the weight of the bike for racing purposes.
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Objectively less weight is better. I'm talking about real world performance from real riders that don't have factory contracts though. How many guys do you know that would be faster if their bike was suddenly 11lbs lighter?
 
Chaotic,


Down 15-20hp ? I seriously doubt that. Especially against the R1. But we will see. Seems like everyone is coming out with some sort of race version next year. Honda is definitely slow with updates, but also is Suzuki. These two factories make incremental changes that prove to be more reliable. Next year should be interesting for sure.
 
Two equal streetriders riding equal bikes but one bike being 11 lbs lighter will out accelerate the heavier bike every time.
 
Speedhaus said:
Chaotic,
Down 15-20hp ? I seriously doubt that.
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Yep. Reports (directly from Honda) put the new CBR in the low 170's HP wise. That is a good jump from the old bike, which was around 158-160hp.

160hp was good back in 2008, when that bike came out (back then all the Liter bikes were in the 155-162hp range). But since then (beginning with the 2010/2011 BMW and ZX10), those figures are very low.

The new CBR reportedly (again, from Honda) will gain 11hp over the previous version, but it will still be nowhere near the HP of the other Liter bikes.

It will have a good chassis, the Honda always does. And in SBK form it will be very competitive (anything can be made competitive in SBK form). But in SS form, it will be lagging behind, as it has been for years.
 
BTrain5489 said:
Objectively less weight is better. I'm talking about real world performance from real riders that don't have factory contracts though. How many guys do you know that would be faster if their bike was suddenly 11lbs lighter?
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11lbs is a good bit of weight, especially when you are talking about it being spread throughout the wheels, motor and chassis.

Will it suddenly make the average rider an Expert race winner? No.

But put me battling side by side with somebody of equal talent, if my bike is 11lbs lighter, i will have an advantage.
 

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