Break-In Theory

Macattack · May 8, 2015

Chaotic said:
By that logic, we should stick with the OEM gearing, tire choice, oil brand, brake pads, bodywork, windscreen, clip-ons, levers, suspension, fuel type, so on and so forth. I mean, their engineers know what is best, right?

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apples and oranges . no one at ducati is recommending you don't change any of those things .for example there are specs for the oil but as long as you stay in those specs (engineers came up with those) you are fine . You don't have to run shell oil btw.

I actually was mostly being sarcastic about the whole thing because everyone has beat this subject to death .
I personally run one tank through my new bikes at a moderate pace then progressively start running it harder .
mostly I'm over the subject and wanted a laugh . no big deal

Chaotic · May 8, 2015

Macattack said:
apples and oranges . no one at ducati is recommending you don't change any of those things .for example there are specs for the oil but as long as you stay in those specs (engineers came up with those) you are fine . You don't have to run shell oil btw.

I actually was mostly being sarcastic about the whole thing because everyone has beat this subject to death .
I personally run one tank through my new bikes at a moderate pace then progressively start running it harder .
mostly I'm over the subject and wanted a laugh . no big deal

Roger that.

Sometimes it is hard to pick up on sarcasm on the internet.

I haven't been on this forum very long, but I should have assumed this subject has been beaten to death. I know it has been on all of my other forums.

wilkson · May 8, 2015

Chaotic said:
Roger that.

Sometimes it is hard to pick up on sarcasm on the internet.

I haven't been on this forum very long, but I should have assumed this subject has been beaten to death. I know it has been on all of my other forums.

Did he need to add a smiely face for it to be obvious ? That was sarcasm as well in case you missed it

Macattack · May 8, 2015

Chaotic said:
Roger that.

Sometimes it is hard to pick up on sarcasm on the internet.

I haven't been on this forum very long, but I should have assumed this subject has been beaten to death. I know it has been on all of my other forums.

Im new to this forum too . cheers .
when i was a younger man working at a mc dealership a older mechanic told me that in the 70's they would change the oil at the first service and sand would sometimes come out of the crank case

(sand cast cases) dozens of other stories about tolerances improvements in metallurgy and me personally having done dozens of my own first services Ive come up with my own opinion of break in. it boils down to a choice of how strictly an individual wants to follow the mfg's opinion .

btw the pani filter has one advantage for me I always get to see the stuff that is caught in it it gives me a pulse check on the internals of the motor . bittersweet because spinon filters are easier to change

Chaotic · May 8, 2015

I have talked to several people who say that my way of doing the first oil change at 50 miles is too long. Some people/mechanics say to do it as early as 20-25 miles to make sure there isn't trash circulating in the motor for very long.

wilkson · May 8, 2015

Decent oil and decent heat cycles are the key to longevity of these big piston motors . Riding like you stole it is bad advice on a fresh motor I have replaced and seen other motors with sleeves replaced with this sort of break in .
For any decent Ducati tech to rely on warranty as a problem fixer for future problems that a motor should occur is bad advice IMO . Like I said everyone has their own opinion on what is correct there is no difinitive answer . Mine is only a opinion of what I have seen .

Chaotic · May 8, 2015

wilkson said:
Did he need to add a smiely face for it to be obvious ? That was sarcasm as well in case you missed it

I do have to admit that how a post comes across is largely dictated by my mood at the time. I am at work and having a ...... day in general, then earlier I found out about some more .... that was ...... up.

Chaotic · May 8, 2015

wilkson said:
For any decent Ducati tech to rely on warranty as a problem fixer for future problems that a motor should occur is bad advice IMO .

I agree. That is some silly .....

wilkson · May 8, 2015

Chaotic said:
I do have to admit that how a post comes across is largely dictated by my mood at the time. I am at work and having a ...... day in general, then earlier I found out about some more .... that was ...... up.

Hope you have a better day tomorrow and your sarcasm rader is finely tuned .

Chaotic · May 8, 2015

wilkson said:
Hope you have a better day tomorrow and your sarcasm rader is finely tuned .

Me too.

fzr100098 · May 8, 2015

If there is "proof" or strong evidence, I would say it is compression (and/or leakdown) test numbers, and I've consistently seen great results with a semi-aggressive break-in method. Most of the ring seating occurs quickly, then there is a relatively slow process to get the added 5% or so - I also go to synthetic relatively early which actually delays the process, but that's ok. Was interesting to track this process on the supercharged 1500 cc engine in my Kawasaki jet ski

fzr100098 · May 8, 2015

...and yes it is beat to death, but still an interesting topic, thanks for the replies

fzr100098 · May 11, 2015

One thing I noticed is the motor operated at higher temp on the first run, and I kept it around 6k or less in lower gears. After an overnight cool down, subsequent runs could be made at slightly higher rpm with less temp rise. This validates the "95% of break-in occurs early" theory. No way anyone needs to hold at 6k for 600 miles if you're doing short trips with a complete (overnight) cool down

80shilling · May 11, 2015

I have owned 35+ Motorcycles over the last 20+ years and I have broken every single one of them in the exact same way and have NEVER had a problem with ANY of the engines. My BMW S1000RR did 53,000+ miles in a little over 3 years and a ton of trackdays, some at Thunderhill raceway in 107+ degrees F.

At 53,000 miles, my BMW dynoed at 184.6 RWHP; the compression figures were identical to a brand new bike on all 4 cylinders, it never used a drop of oil and nor have any of my other bikes.

I break all of my motorcycles in the same way: Ride relatively gently (keep rpm under 8-10,000 rpm for the first 100 or so miles, then ride it like I normally would ride on a spirited weekend ride..

BOTH the Ducati dealers that I go to gave me the exact same advice, which was "ride it gently for the first full tank of gas, then ride like you normally would". That is the exact same advice I got on all 5 of my Triumph Daytonas, including the "R" we have right now, which just had a Blackstone Labs report done on it with 19,000+ plus miles on it... The results were really good for a 19,000 mile triple.

The bottom line is that not only I, but also multiple dealerships recommend the method I use and it has paid off 100% for me so far.

JDBeretta · May 11, 2015

80shilling said:
I have owned 35+ Motorcycles over the last 20+ years and I have broken every single one of them in the exact same way and have NEVER had a problem with ANY of the engines. My BMW S1000RR did 53,000+ miles in a little over 3 years and a ton of trackdays, some at Thunderhill raceway in 107+ degrees F.

At 53,000 miles, my BMW dynoed at 184.6 RWHP; the compression figures were identical to a brand new bike on all 4 cylinders, it never used a drop of oil and nor have any of my other bikes.

I break all of my motorcycles in the same way: Ride relatively gently (keep rpm under 8-10,000 rpm for the first 100 or so miles, then ride it like I normally would ride on a spirited weekend ride..

BOTH the Ducati dealers that I go to gave me the exact same advice, which was "ride it gently for the first full tank of gas, then ride like you normally would". That is the exact same advice I got on all 5 of my Triumph Daytonas, including the "R" we have right now, which just had a Blackstone Labs report done on it with 19,000+ plus miles on it... The results were really good for a 19,000 mile triple.

The bottom line is that not only I, but also multiple dealerships recommend the method I use and it has paid off 100% for me so far.

Are you swapping filters on those initial changes?

fzr100098 · May 11, 2015

When did you do your first oil change on the BMW?

80shilling · May 11, 2015

JDBeretta said:
Are you swapping filters on those initial changes?

Yes, I am.

80shilling · May 11, 2015

fzr100098 said:
When did you do your first oil change on the BMW?

At around 650 miles; the dealership also removed the 9,000 rpm limiter on that first service.

Blade Runner · May 11, 2015

80shilling said:
At around 650 miles; the dealership also removed the 9,000 rpm limiter on that first service.

What made you go from the BMW to the Ducati? I am looking at the Yamaha R1M, BMW S1000RR and the Ducati 1299S. Oh and possibly the Aprilla V4. This would be my 1st Ducati after many years of Kaw, Honda, Suzuki and Yamaha.

fzr100098 · May 11, 2015

I'll let shilling chime in but if at all possible go test ride all three, those were the same bikes I was considering. The Ducati has the best street powerband and looks the best imo

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