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Hey guys,

I am at 1000km on my 2022 V2 and have been following the manuals recommendations on running in decently well. I have hit *near* redline around 10-15 times and have avoided WOT as much as possible.

The manual seems to recommend staying under 6k rpm until 2500km unless I am reading it incorrectly.

I was just posting here to see what you guys do/recommend to do.

Thanks!
 
Do whatever you feel like. You won't get a definitive answer because it doesn't exist. Some follow the manual, others WOT straight from the dealer. Modern day sport bikes or cars aren't that fragile and more than likely already ran in at the factory.
 
Do whatever you feel like. You won't get a definitive answer because it doesn't exist. Some follow the manual, others WOT straight from the dealer. Modern day sport bikes or cars aren't that fragile and more than likely already ran in at the factory.
Yea that's what I assumed. I heard that they were tested before leaving the factory. After changing the break in oil I will probably start flogging the bike and hope for the best!
 
With older European Sports bikes I was always told to run them in by riding them like normal and redline a few times.
 
Stick to canyon riding and you’ll do a good job fluctuating rpms and gears.
I would if I could! We don't have canyons where I am in Canada and currently there's 30cm of snow on the ground so I'm itching to get back on the bike..
 
Put bike on stand and ride in garage that’s option

I realize this is probably a joke, but for those who might not get the humor, please don't do this. First off, running the bike on a stand is asking for a disaster when it vibrates off. Second, running the bike on a stand does not load the engine, therefore does not replicate the run-in process.

As others said, do what you feel is correct. There are many opinions, but I like to take it easy for a mile or two and then start running it harder and harder during the first 20 miles. After 50 or so miles, I feel the run-in process is done. Correlation does not equal causation; however, my bikes have always run well (no blow-by) with that process over the past 30 years. ;)

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It’s New, It’s Pristine, How Long Do You Have to Baby It?

By Kevin Cameron

Originally published in Sportbike 1995 Annual


Break-in is the final finishing operation in manufacturing an engine - and you, the owner of a new bike, perform it. At the factory, the bike builder hones the cylinder walls to a fine finish, grinds cams and tappets to accurate, smooth profiles, and makes connecting rod journals to high standards of roundness and accuracy. But even with all this, metal surfaces remain microscopically rough, consisting of tiny peaks and valleys. When you start a new engine, these surfaces must slide over each other; wherever the peaks stick up higher than the local oil film thickness, metal hits metal, welds momentarily from the intense local pressure, and then tears away. The oil sweeps a residue of particles away, carrying them to sump and filter. Some metal is simply pushed into shape, protected by oil additives, it deforms physically rather than being welded and torn.

Throughout the engine, this process works, quickly at first, then more slowly as break-in proceeds. Once the high spots are knocked or pushed down, the roughness of the surfaces no longer sticks above the oil films. Piston rings have filed themselves into a fine fit to their cylinders. Bearings spin without metal-to-metal contact, on full oil films. Break-in is complete.

This process can have three possible outcomes:

(1) If the break-in begins at high RPM and heavy throttle, the process may generate more heat and metal debris than the system can handle. Then the result is destruction of contact surfaces in some parts of the engine.

(2) If the break-in begins at a lower energy level and builds up gradually to higher revs and throttle, the washing action of the oil will keep up with the generation of wear particles, and the surfaces will bed into each other in such a way that the oil film can carry the load.

(3) The third possibility is that break-in will fail - usually as a result of such light-duty operation that parts are not loaded together forcefully enough to bed-in to one another. Rings glaze and fail to seal. The engine never delivers full power. Fortunately, this is rare where production machines are concerned.

Factory break-in procedures are designed to steer the middle course: not so vigorous as to damage surfaces, not so timid as to have no results at all. Generally, recommended break-in consists of operation at a variety of moderate speeds, alternating with no-load coasting. The idea behind this is that firm part-throttle operation for a period puts a load on bearings and other parts, forcing their surfaces together so they can polish each other to a fine fit. No-throttle coasting removes much of the load, allowing the oil system to flush away the wear particles. Gradually increasing the load (higher rpm and throttle) allows the bedding-in process to build up over time, rather than applying a possibly damaging load right at 1st.

Rob Muzzy of Kawasaki notes: ‘It wont break in until you really run it hard,’ noting that, ‘with today’s thin, low friction rings, you cant get the parts to reach each other without a good load.’ He says his team breaks in its race engines in much the same manner as for the street: 30-60 min of moderate operation on the dyno, just in case there are some really rough areas, followed by several pulls (that is, hard acceleration across the power band). He says that only by the 3rd pull does the engine begin to show its real power.

For a street machine owner, this dyno break-in translates to a period of moderate operation (Muzzy mentions 500 miles), followed by some hard acceleration. Sustained, high-speed operation is not a good idea because it provides no wash time at low load, during which the oil system can flush away any wear particles.

Once the break-in mileage has elapsed, the oil and filter are changed to remove the metal-loaded oil, and the (possibly) metal-loaded filter.

Break-in lore and myths: You often hear something like this: ‘break it in fast and it will be fast, break it in slow and it will be slow.’ There is some truth here because break-in has to apply enough load to force the parts into mutual machining action. If you timidly try to break it in at very low speed and almost zero throttle, you may never force the piston rings to shave themselves into good contact with the cylinder walls. That will result in a poor seal--and a poor performance. But the ‘break it in fast’ part of the saying seems to imply that the faster you push during break-in, the faster your engine will be as a result. Not so. If you push too hard, too soon, the parts will score and scuff each other because the heat generated will be enough to destroy the oil film locally. A scuffed piston ring doesn’t seal. Many engine builders agree that you should not try to break in an engine on synthetic oil. If the oil film is too good, it will support even parts with extensive surface roughness. Only a small amount of local bedding-in may occur on the piston rings, in a poor fit (glazing) that improves only very slowly over time. Manufacturers of synthetic oils are almost unanimous in their insistence that this is not so, and that break-in is normal with their excellent products. But too many engineers and tuners have seen break-in either fail or take too long on synthetics for this to be the entire truth. Muzzy says that his team breaks in engines on mineral oil, and will run the fresh engine the entire first day at the track on the break-in oil, before draining and replacing with racing synthetic.

Synthetic oils are frequently chosen for racing use because low viscosities can be used that will cut friction losses by a small amount. This may be worth the trouble on the racetrack, but for street use, the choice between mineral and synthetic oils is yours. Street engines run well with mineral or synthetic oils of the recommended viscosity.

Your more important decision will be to follow a reasonable break-in procedure. Treat your engine with respect for its first 500 to 1000 miles, and it’ll repay you by delivering its best possible performance.
 
Great article, however almost all cars and bikes that run synthetic recommended come direct from the factory with synthetic in the crankcase
 
I may have to road trip this thing to reach 622 miles.....Just leave early one Saturday morning and head to Orlando, then Daytona, back to Orlando then over to Tampa and then back to south FLA should almost get me there lol.
 
I should add that I consider my bikes run-in by the 50-mile point and I then change the oil. I don't run them for 600 miles before the first oil change, but if you are paying a dealer then it could get expensive (and they might refuse to do so before 600 miles - some dealers are weird that way).

Here is my magnetic oil drain plug with tons of metal after just 90ish miles on the clocks (missed 50 by a few, but what can you do). I say change that stuff as soon as you can after a quick run-in.

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I should add that I consider my bikes run-in by the 50-mile point and I then change the oil. I don't run them for 600 miles before the first oil change, but if you are paying a dealer then it could get expensive (and they might refuse to do so before 600 miles - some dealers are weird that way).

Here is my magnetic oil drain plug with tons of metal after just 90ish miles on the clocks (missed 50 by a few, but what can you do). I say change that stuff as soon as you can after a quick run-in.

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Interesting.. Do you see more metal in the oil after changing at the 600 mile mark as well?

It's by far too late for me to change the oil at 100 miles as I am at the 600mile mark so I will see how things go.
 
Interesting.. Do you see more metal in the oil after changing at the 600 mile mark as well?

It's by far too late for me to change the oil at 100 miles as I am at the 600mile mark so I will see how things go.

I saw some, but very little metal on the drain plug when I changed it again at 477 miles (was doing other work on the bike so just did it then), and pretty much none at the next change. With all of my bikes, I have seen the bulk of the metal during the first oil change at around 50 miles, which is why I would rather get it out of there early instead of letting it potentially float around and do damage. Some people are worried about "break-in" oil and flushing it out too soon, but I don't believe motorcycle manufacturers use that anymore. But as others said, there are a million opinions on motorcycle break-in and oil change intervals.
 
I saw some, but very little metal on the drain plug when I changed it again at 477 miles (was doing other work on the bike so just did it then), and pretty much none at the next change. With all of my bikes, I have seen the bulk of the metal during the first oil change at around 50 miles, which is why I would rather get it out of there early instead of letting it potentially float around and do damage. Some people are worried about "break-in" oil and flushing it out too soon, but I don't believe motorcycle manufacturers use that anymore. But as others said, there are a million opinions on motorcycle break-in and oil change intervals.

Appreciate your insight! I'm going to do the oil this coming week and see how it goes from there
 
Speaking to my local dealer yesterday they said the factory oil is fully synthetic but long life, so it can stand on the dealer floor for a long time.

I’m surprised the manual specifies such a long break-in period, I can’t imagine it’s good for bedding in rings effectively.

It’s one of those things that’s not going to have consensus I suppose, we all handle it the way we think best.
 
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