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I must be a prat then I guess? :confused:

An 8-pack isn't that difficult, just requires a little discipline. Anyone here is capable of doing it.

Insults aside, join the 1,000 lb. club, and I'll be impressed, especially if you weigh under 200 lbs.
I joined the 1000 pound club in Afghanistan weighing in at 185. Had a buddy there that weighed 135 and out di me lol man I wish I had the time to be in that kind of shape again

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seems your LA types suffer with basic discipline? I see this report yesterday:eek::eek:

TECH INDUSTRY
Drone hovers right above jet landing at Las Vegas airport
No, it's not legal, but that didn't stop someone from taking a remote joyride on McCarran International Airport's flight path.

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STEPHEN SHANKLAND
FEBRUARY 2, 2018 5:15 PM PST

McCarran is in Las Vegas, a couple of hundred miles from LA. They are pretty strict about these kinds of things around LAX.
 
I joined the 1000 pound club in Afghanistan weighing in at 185. Had a buddy there that weighed 135 and out di me lol man I wish I had the time to be in that kind of shape again

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Congrats! No small feat at 185lb. 135 is crazy for sure. In my 30's, I did 1200 at 180. In my 40's, I did 1100 (only once) at 175. Haven't tried since I hit 50.
 
so twice i adjusted the rear brake to get less free play, twice the rear caliper scorched and locked.. the rear brake pedal free play in the pits isnt what you end up with on track.. i assume the fluid warms up and expands.. like crazy.. so pani need tons of free play.. imho, far far far more than normal.. at first i thought the rearsets were the issue, but after blah blah blah, the free play just needs to be unusually huge.. ps, i saw a new looking stock panigale 1299 stop in the hot chute and was trying to put out the fire by the rear wheel caliper area,.. plastic brake hose cover was in flames.. ps, also in chuckwalla.. after fire was put out, i checked his rear brake pedal, was rock solid.., no chance of moving it at all... my bikes now have so much free play, they get flagged at tech inspection every time..
 
A mate on his Bayliss locked up his rear brake after adjustment, pulled into the gas station with his wheel on fire and glowing disc. Much panicking and we put it out, melted brake lines and a real mess but all fixable. His magnesium wheels came out ok - carbon would have been a disaster.
 
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Cool to the touch after an hour of spirited riding...
 
I have four sets of them of BST wheels on my bikes and have logged thousands of miles on them from my track only ZX10R that weighs only 398 wet to my Speciale, 1290 Super Duke or my 290HP H2. You always need to look at them front time to time just to make sure everything is good. But then again I look at everything on my bikes all the time just to be on the safe side.
 
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Lol. Where did these guys go???

I got to the party after all the cute ones left...

Story of my life

And now I have a 6 year old 1199 : )

Don when are you going to post pictures of your R
I wanna see what your working on there
 
what is the service life of a helo blades?
I know nothing about your field of expertise , but I am assuming the mfg process for composite blades is a bit more impressive than these wheels due to the fact they cost 1000x's more and require a huge facility to make.
I'm thinking if motorcycle wheels were manufactured, inspected , and replaced like your aviation parts we would see much less of this stuff.

Bell 407 main rotor blades are on condition. No scheduled replacement interval. Composite blades.
 
Thamer - I thought rotor blades are hollow aluminum... on the subject of the wheel failure - I think we'll see that the failure was caused by a faulty part which would be subject to a warranty claim that will be honored. I don't think the rider would've unknowingly had his foot on the brake for that long a period to cause the failure.


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Aluminum would fatigue very quickly which would lead to cracking and failure, not to mention the erosion of soft aluminum that would happen from the movement through the air, rain, and sand/dust.
 
The original post is a word of warning regarding how important it is to make sure your rear brake is set up correctly and have nothing to do with the wheel other than the excessive heat from a poorly set-up rear caliper was the cause of the wheel failure. And yes, this probably would have happened with an alloy wheel as well, it just would have taken few extra sessions.
As background, I've got more than 35,000 miles and 11 years on a set of BSTs - almost all of it on the road and I've had no issues. They have however, improved the performance of my speed triple tremendously... worth every penny.
At the end of last season, I put a new set of BSTs on my Ducati track-bike and enjoyed increased performance as well. That said, I only put them on AFTER I had fixed all the issues of my rear caliper overheating. You see, I had replaced the master cylinders for my rear brake (Thumb brake + Foot brake). All appeared to be fine however, as noted in a previous post in this thread, the push-rod on the foot lever needed to be shorter (ground down a bit) so as not to put even the slightest pressure on the master cylinder (leave a 2 mm gap). Even a little bit of pressure was enough to fry the caliper after a 20-minute session on track. After I replaced the rear caliper an got back on track it happened again, which is when I finally figured it out.
The next month, to be sure, I ran the bike with the BST front and OEM rear wheel and compared the temperature of the rear caliper and disk to those of the front after a a couple of laps, then after the first session, when I confirmed the brake was good to go, I put the rear BST wheel on and had the best time all season. (Note: The front rotors and calipers will likely run a couple of degrees cooler just because they are exposed to more direct cooling up front.)
Clearly, the issue in the case featured in this thread was not the wheel, but improper set-up of the rear brake.
That said, it is important to note that excessive heat will degrade carbon fiber; that is why the BST wheels come with a warning to NOT use full coverage tire warmers (the ones that cover the entire wheel and not just the tire).
Also, I would have to agree that CF wheels are inappropriate for racing because they will get beat to hell if you are relying on a track-side vendor to mount new rubber, and more importantly they are not a good heat sink, which will make your rubber cool faster if you are sitting on the grid without warmers. You see, there is the issue of the tire's cooling faster than they would have on an alloy wheel since the CF wheel does not absorb heat from the tire like a metal wheel will (heat sink). Thus, your tires will cool down faster, which is a HUGE issue if you've had a red-flag event and are restarting on the grid after waiting 10 minutes for the track to be cleared and the race restarted.
I only put them on my Ducati after I stopped racing last year. So, if you are road and track riding, there is no issue. If you are racing, the issue is affording a spare set for rain tires, not caring about the wheels getting beaten up with all of the tire changes by people who don't really care or are not familiar with taking the care to mount tires properly, and having your tires cool quickly if you have to sit on the grid without warmers for an extended period.
 
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