Changing to Carbon wheels and wondering about suspension changes

gramps · Sep 22, 2015

First let me say I know that suspension settings are varied from rider to rider depending on preference and many other factors.

My question is basically what changes were made when you changed to CF wheels.

More compression? less? More or less rebound?

Front or rear? Both?

Just wanting to get an idea on the direction of the changes from people who have made the switch.

Thanks for your time in advance.

wilkson · Sep 22, 2015

How about just leave it the same as before .

jarelj · Sep 22, 2015

You'll be tempted to make changes because it seems to make intuitive sense, but don't do it, it's a trap!

I went round-and-round on this when I put the BST's on last year, and after much consultation with the guys at Ohlins the conclusion was that the bike moves up and down on the wheels, not the other way around, so the weight of the wheel will affect the turning but not the action of the suspension as long as the tire never leaves the ground.

gramps · Sep 22, 2015

wilkson said:
How about just leave it the same as before .

Thanks!

That makes perfect sense to me I'm just overthinking a bit. I was confused by some of the things I have been reading during my research so I thought I would throw the question out.

gramps · Sep 22, 2015

jarelj said:
You'll be tempted to make changes because it seems to make intuitive sense, but don't do it, it's a trap! I went round-and-round on this when I put the BST's on last year, and after much consultation with the guys at Ohlins the conclusion was that the bike moves up and down on the wheels, not the other way around, so the weight of the wheel will affect the turning but not the action of the suspension as long as the tire never leaves the ground.

Again that makes sense. How do you like the BST's?

Charleston 1199 · Sep 22, 2015

How about adding a better steering dampener for the lighter wheel?
Sounds reasonable ? No?

bp7178 · Sep 22, 2015

Charleston 1199 said:
How about adding a better steering dampener for the lighter wheel?
Sounds reasonable ? No?

I have a feeling this is going to cost me another $300 at Ducati Omaha for an Ohlins dampener.

double0 · Sep 22, 2015

"Damper"

Gotta be patient and they may pop up used for cheaper on here. Hell, I got mine on here a year ago for $125 off an S model from a guy parting out his race bike.

bp7178 · Sep 22, 2015

double0 said:
"Damper"

Gotta be patient and they may pop up used for cheaper on here. Hell, I got mine on here a year ago for $125 off an S model from a guy parting out his race bike.

It was a google chrome spell check thing, don't be a .....

Seriously, is there any hardware required to fit the Ohlins DAMPER on a base?

I added so many html tags on that just to be a jerk. Whiskey. It happens.

double0 · Sep 22, 2015

Lol nah just messin around.

No hardware needed. Just a bolt but it should come with that. I didn't bother checking but I'd assume the one from the base would work too.

Tfk · Sep 23, 2015

I made no changes when I changed to BST carbon wheels.

You can make whichever changes YOU would like to the suspension before/after changing the wheels-- as long as you take the addition of the wheels out of the equation.

jarelj · Sep 23, 2015

bp7178 said:
It was a google chrome spell check thing, don't be a .....

Seriously, is there any hardware required to fit the Ohlins DAMPER on a base?

I added so many html tags on that just to be a jerk. Whiskey. It happens.

Nothing else required, the damper will bolt right on in place of the crappy non-adjustable stocker. Personally that would be upgrade #1 that I would do to a base if I was going to ride it on the track.

jarelj · Sep 23, 2015

gramps said:
Again that makes sense. How do you like the BST's?

They're really nice, certainly very light, and very durable. I don't have them on my bike this year since I needed to switch to a 6" rear wheel, so I have Carrozzeria forged aluminum on there now. The BST's were 5 lbs. lighter than my current wheels. You certainly notice the difference on turn-in. Personally, I felt like I lost a little bit of front end feel on corner entry with the BST's. In talking with Ohlins about it last year, didn't sound like I'm the only one who's said that over the years, so something that maybe some people are more senstive than other on that sort of feedback.

gramps · Sep 23, 2015

jarelj said:
They're really nice, certainly very light, and very durable. I don't have them on my bike this year since I needed to switch to a 6" rear wheel, so I have Carrozzeria forged aluminum on there now. The BST's were 5 lbs. lighter than my current wheels. You certainly notice the difference on turn-in. Personally, I felt like I lost a little bit of front end feel on corner entry with the BST's. In talking with Ohlins about it last year, didn't sound like I'm the only one who's said that over the years, so something that maybe some people are more senstive than other on that sort of feedback.

Good to hear that you like them. I have heard the same thing about front end feel which is a concern. I tend to use the front more than most so it's important. It is also why I was asking the original question. It took a lot of track time and professional help for me to get my suspension set up the way I wanted it. The turn in/braking/acceleration benefits will hopefully make up for the loss.

jdgun · Sep 23, 2015

jarelj said:
They're really nice, certainly very light, and very durable. I don't have them on my bike this year since I needed to switch to a 6" rear wheel, so I have Carrozzeria forged aluminum on there now. The BST's were 5 lbs. lighter than my current wheels. You certainly notice the difference on turn-in. Personally, I felt like I lost a little bit of front end feel on corner entry with the BST's. In talking with Ohlins about it last year, didn't sound like I'm the only one who's said that over the years, so something that maybe some people are more senstive than other on that sort of feedback.

I am in the same boat on the feeling with the BST, also my bike is far more nervous or sensitive if you will when going over any surface that is not smooth.. Seems to track any groove or uneven surface far more than stock wheels.

Charleston 1199 · Sep 23, 2015

yea yea
look i cant spell as is

ohlins DAMPERS look sweet as do carbon wheels so many things to buy

lets list

akrapovic full exhaust
bst carbon wheels
ohlins damper
DP gas cap
lots of carbon fiber
sprint filter

the list goes on and on

lottery anyone?

Charleston 1199 · Sep 23, 2015

ps i am bored today

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