Charcoal canister cannot be removed on new 1299S?

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I have a brand new 1299 and have had an issue with it stalling after it has been running and then turned off. Once you restart it it wants to stall at idle. I literally have to continuously give it a little throttle to keep it running. After searching through he forum I was thinking it was the charcoal canister so I called the dealer but they informed me that on new Panigales it can no longer be removed. I think they said it is wired in. My question is first, is that true, and second can I just leave the canister and remove and cap the one vacuum line and remove and tap the vent line from the canister into the other vent line. Therefore I would be leaving the canister in place but hopefully still fix the problem.

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I believe removing the charcoal canister is also against the law since it deals with emissions and fuel vapors so the dealer might just be using that as an excuse to not do it for you.
 
Definitely not a legality issues. They don't care and do it on all the older bikes that don't throw the code.
 
My dealer also said they couldn't do it.

However, they did remove it to get access to a couple of key fasteners during a service and did forget to re-install it. Bummer.
 
the difference between the 1199 and the 1299 is that the system now has an electronic valve on the "up line". I'm guessing Ducati did this to fix the issue BUT as we've all learned, we still have the same issue of the bike turning off. what i did was I removed the canister, extended the vent line and then plugged the line going to this valve. i left the valve connected so even when the ecu tells it to open there wont be anything to suck from the canister. I'm not sure if i disconnect the valve if i will get an error code. if you dont then the whole system can be removed as with the 1199. anybody should try that... i'll try it next time i have the fairing off.
 
I disconnected the carbon canister.(It did have some fuel in it). plugged the suction line from the switch and ran the vent tube down as instructed
Made absolutely no difference in the stalling issue however there are no codes thrown..

Mine still stalls usually at start up a couple of times.. Sometimes when I am de-accelerating coming up to a light (or sometimes just to keep things interesting,,, when in an intersection... :eek: Lots of fun:eek:

I have just consoled myself to the fact that no matter how much you spend on a 1299 Panigale and no matter how many different things I try or how many times I have it in the shop, it is STILL going to die on me..

This will be my last Ducati experience...:( I have had enough of the "Ducati big twin cylinder "Character " It is evidently un fixable...
I don't know what really causes it but it is definitely a serious design flaw that the Ducati factory will neither fix or even recognize as a problem.... Not to mention the terrible low speed throttle response and surging etc...at anything below 12% throttle...


Speedy
 
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My 2012 Tricolore has never stalled, both with and without the charcoal canister. Weird how this seems to affect certain bikes (similar to the oil burning issues on early models) but not others. I am running the TuneBoy now with the full Termi system, and while the fueling isn't perfect, it is far better than the OEM upmap stick program that comes with the full Termi. Still, never a stalling issue.
 
Took this picture from the 2016 Panigale 1299 spare parts catalogue...
What up-valve? :mad:
 

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Gecko said:
Took this picture from the 2016 Panigale 1299 spare parts catalogue...
What up-valve? :mad:
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Maybe it is different here in the USA version? I don't really know I just asked the mechanic at the dealer how to do and and plugged and and plumbed it the way he told me.. However It did not make a bit of difference on my bike.. :(

I have just learned to be careful and cover the clutch and throttle (ready to rev it up if it starts to cut off ) when leaving a parking lot (so it doesn't die on me suddenly and I just look like a fool that doesn't know how to ride and stalled it..) :rolleyes:
Sometimes I can tell when it is about to stall because it has a different idle all of a sudden and sounds sorta like it is almost gurgling and struggling to breath LOL..
 
It can definitely be removed, no issues. It was removed on mine before I even took delivery - The mechanic at my dealership who prepped my bike pre-delivery, took it off.

I have had zero stalling issues on my 1299S.
 
speedy14 said:
Maybe it is different here in the USA version? I don't really know I just asked the mechanic at the dealer how to do and and plugged and and plumbed it the way he told me.. However It did not make a bit of difference on my bike.. :(

I have just learned to be careful and cover the clutch and throttle (ready to rev it up if it starts to cut off ) when leaving a parking lot (so it doesn't die on me suddenly and I just look like a fool that doesn't know how to ride and stalled it..) :rolleyes:
Sometimes I can tell when it is about to stall because it has a different idle all of a sudden and sounds sorta like it is almost gurgling and struggling to breath LOL..
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Have you ridden another Forum member's 1299 yet? I am telling you that you have a lemon and need to get Ducati to replace it. Ride another 1299 for an extended period of time, then figure out if it behaves like yours or not; that's your answer, right there.

I feel really bad for you, because when these 1299's are right, MAN are they good!
 
Gecko said:
Took this picture from the 2016 Panigale 1299 spare parts catalogue...
What up-valve? :mad:
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Hi Gecko - Check out the image below. :)

ducati1299_charcoalcanister_zpsaxlbbymb.jpg


EDIT: from parts catalog
ducati1299_charcoalcanister_diagram_zpsjcmn0njq.jpg
 
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That valve is a PITA. It is on the Ducati 1299 parts diagram but it is not in the 1299 wiring diagram. When i was done building the bike, I had this plug left over that no one could identify. I left it unplugged and it codded. Made plug with a resistor in it and all is well. You can get the factory plug from Bike Sport Developments.
 
That item is the Evap Purge Solenoid Valve.
What it does is basically when the ECM decides that the conditions are correct, it will open that valve to let the gas fumes from the Evap Charcoal canister enter the intake system and be consumed by normal operation of the engine.
Remove the solenoid from the Tubing and leave the electrical connector on, zip tie it to a suitable location and then forget about it.
Run tubing like you would in a 1199 and go enjoy your bike.
 
endodoc said:
That valve is a PITA. It is on the Ducati 1299 parts diagram but it is not in the 1299 wiring diagram. When i was done building the bike, I had this plug left over that no one could identify. I left it unplugged and it codded. Made plug with a resistor in it and all is well. You can get the factory plug from Bike Sport Developments.
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I got the idea from endodoc and did exactly the same--I used a resistor as an emulator in place of the purge valve to get around the ecu error code.
 
80shilling said:
Have you ridden another Forum member's 1299 yet? I am telling you that you have a lemon and need to get Ducati to replace it. Ride another 1299 for an extended period of time, then figure out if it behaves like yours or not; that's your answer, right there.

I feel really bad for you, because when these 1299's are right, MAN are they good!
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Yeah I have ridden a couple of other 1299's including a demo They do not react like mine The owner of the dealership personally rode mine and said "that is just the way they are" so what can I do from here on?

Just gotta get used to it.. I do have a lemon but no one is going to do a thing about it..
 

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