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The age old torque vs horsepower argument, at the top end drag trumps it all, that is why the Pani's are always up top on the speed charts in WSBK even being down on power to the I 4 piles. They have a small frontal area, narrow cross section and are very aero.

sexparty said:

Very nice.
Think the difference is worth the cost of doing it?

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Yes I think it was worth the cost of doing it. It took me a little bit to get used to it but love it now. It's an amazing pull and sound!

stu1199 said:

I suspect the Pani had the exhaust flapper valve stuck closed thus strangling the engine performance on the top end , had that problem but sorted now , pulls like a train all the way to the top

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^^^^
This.
(if you want to be a ....... hero like me -thanks Stu)

No offence guys but there is a lot of ..... in this thread!
The issue with the 1299 reaching max revs and top speed is the exhaust valve spring is not strong enough to hold it open under full throttle above approx 9k rpm!

How many of you actually had your 1299 flat out in 5th and 6th?
If you have you will know the bike slows up accelerating above 170-180mph.
Every 1299 needs to disconnect the servo and lock wire the spring open
once this is done it will hit the limiter easily in 6th, it almost needs another gear. It pulls 10.6k rpm in top VERY easily.

All the talk about aero/drag/gears affecting top speed significantly is complete ....., sorry!

chillo said:

^^^^
This.
(if you want to be a ....... hero like me -thanks Stu)

No offence guys but there is a lot of ..... in this thread!
The issue with the 1299 reaching max revs and top speed is the exhaust valve spring is not strong enough to hold it open under full throttle above approx 9k rpm!

How many of you actually had your 1299 flat out in 5th and 6th?
If you have you will know the bike slows up accelerating above 170-180mph.
Every 1299 needs to disconnect the servo and lock wire the spring open
once this is done it will hit the limiter easily in 6th, it almost needs another gear. It pulls 10.6k rpm in top VERY easily.

All the talk about aero/drag/gears affecting top speed significantly is complete ....., sorry!

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You do realize our rev limiter kicks in at 11,500 rpm, right?

Nice to know that the bike WILL pull well up high.

chillo said:

^^^^
This.
(if you want to be a ....... hero like me -thanks Stu)

No offence guys but there is a lot of ..... in this thread!
The issue with the 1299 reaching max revs and top speed is the exhaust valve spring is not strong enough to hold it open under full throttle above approx 9k rpm!

How many of you actually had your 1299 flat out in 5th and 6th?
If you have you will know the bike slows up accelerating above 170-180mph.
Every 1299 needs to disconnect the servo and lock wire the spring open
once this is done it will hit the limiter easily in 6th, it almost needs another gear. It pulls 10.6k rpm in top VERY easily.

All the talk about aero/drag/gears affecting top speed significantly is complete ....., sorry!

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Oh no not my R don't about base or S mine just srceams right up to 186 > blank screen @ 11k +1k to go, just need to be chin on the tank

My 1299 base pulls hard until 11500 in 6th

80shilling said:

You do realize our rev limiter kicks in at 11,500 rpm, right?

Nice to know that the bike WILL pull well up high.

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Yes, just talking about my own real world experience! the difference with the spring wired open is VERY noticeable.
At just over 10.6k the first rev limiter lights were flashing in top, and yes the screen goes --- at 186 like most bikes do. IIRC I hit 186 in 6th at about 10.2k rpm.
Prior to lock wiring the spring open i couldnt get it above 178-182, it was like it had run out of steam!

ps
My flat out running is not on a motorway so not fully maxed out

Panigales are not known to be top end monsters. At least not the street versions.

I test rode a 1299 and a friend's 2015 S1000RR before I came across my low mileage 2014 HP4 I ended up purchasing last month and let me tell you, on top end the S1K is pulling much, much harder than a stock 1299 . It's almost scary how much horsepower those bikes make up top.

Even my HP4 Competition is not in the same league as the '15s.

At the dealership, parked side by side with a 2015, my 2014 BMW's ram-air opening is about 1/3 smaller than the new bike's. Between that and the new head/cam design, I don't think running the bike in a dyno cell fully captures what these machines are capable of.

Go on YouTube and search for 650ib.
He owns a pretty quick 1199R which is faster than a lot other machines but gets demolished on top end by flashed S1000RRs and ZX-10s


He also owns a flashed HP4, R1M and a flashed H2 which puts down 243bhp at the wheel. A 2015 S1000RR with allegedly only a flash, front end strap, exhaust and MR12 race fuel walks him down in one video (linked below)

https://youtu.be/WYOkIWx2t54

My point is that there is that Panigale owners shouldn't feel bad that their bikes aren't as fast at extremely high speeds as the new BMW. Very few bikes are.

Signed,

long time lurker and closet Pani fan.
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2014 BMW HP4 #3426
2013 BMW K1300S 30th Anniversary Edition (sold)
2004 Honda RC51
1992 Kawasaki EX500 (gone but not forgotten)
1979 Kawasaki KZ650 (gone but not forgotten)

Funny how it's always a modified what ever V a stock Pani
It's all BS it only relates to straight interstates through in a proper curves in normal road and all that modified top end is pretty much useless

I totally agree that on a closed course, all the extra top end might be overkill.

That's why the 1st gen RSV4s and the new R1s have been able to set more than competitive lap times, despite their not being the most powerful literbikes on sale.

That being said, people do things other than set fast lap times with their machines, especially as most of them will be street registered.

People also sometimes live places without very many turns or changes in elevation but they DO have a lot of places to go fast in a straight line. Enthusiast owners also do legal, 1/2 mile airstrip roll racing, very much like the article this thread is based on. Or more often than not, the Friday night bracket racing drags.

Under these circumstances, it seems the other bikes are able to be tuned a little more easily and inexpensively that the Superbikes from Bologna.

Even in motorsports, there are events that are much more suited to bikes that are able to make big power at high revs. I'm thinking Isle of Man, NW200 style road racing. You don't see very many Panigales in this category of motorsport (from what I've read, they can't go the long distances at WOT without going boom).

Personally speaking, Panigales have a lot more going for them than being the fastest bike in a straight line. The elegance of the engineering solutions - e.g. no frame and the highly developed Superquadro engine , the styling, the noise, the handling. It's a mighty impressive package no matter how you slice it.

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2014 BMW HP4 #3426
2013 BMW K1300S 30th Anniversary Edition (sold)
2004 Honda RC51
1992 Kawasaki EX500 (gone but not forgotten)
1979 Kawasaki KZ650 (gone but not forgotten)

How quickly you guys forget.

http://ducati1299.com/ducati-1299/21069-mcnews-superbike-shootout.html


US version is restricted with fueling and flapper valve. BMW is not restricted in US When you compare euro version to euro version this is what what get. MCN is very reputable source, although they are pani haters for the most part.

put it in short 1299 unrestricted is the horsepower king now. it also laps faster than the bmw.

Everything is restricted to some degree. Open up both bikes equally and the bmw still stays on top not that it matters but no need to change facts since the difference even restricted is hardly a lot and with today's TC is killing most of that anyways outside of straight-line speed which again is minuscule.