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CycleWorld Compares 1199 to 1190RX
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Haha, that's kinda the point. It was so ugly it was good looking!
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Mountain bike speeds generally do not create the flow needed to cool their brakes. Good application for discs since having the rims fail from the pad wear or the bead failing from heat sucks on the downhill.
Personally I don't like the idea of bolting into cast aluminum at multiple points near the rim edge which could fail from over torquing or heat cycling depending on how much is conducted into the rim mass. Forget about the negative effect on the braking were it too fail.
I also wonder how balancing the wheel is done given the lack of symmetry of the design and the fact that the rotor is a wearing part?
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This is one of the most hilarious motorcycle reviews I've ever read! Both bikes have the exact same price, but the Ducati weighs less, has more power, is faster, laps around the track quicker, has better electronics, has better brakes, and looks better. Yet in every photo, the Buell is in front of the Ducati, and in every comparison statement excuses are made regarding how the Buell isn't quite a good but somehow they still like it better. The main point being it's more comfortable and doesn't put off as much heat. In every other respect the Ducati is better. And the conclusion: begrudgingly they have to "give the nod" to the Ducati, but by the narrowest of margins, mainly they're just happy that the Buell is American.
EBR 1190RX vs. Ducati 1199 Panigale Superbike Comparison Test Review
I am pretty sure that when you buy the Magazine, Buell has a full page advertisement for that issue. and viola, an instant favorable review. I also notice this in automotive magazine. IF Chevrolet has huge advertisement for a particular month, the corvette gets an amazing review. If no advertisement for that month, the Corvette gets chewed by a Nissan gtr or something. coincidence?
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Nope, no full-page ad for either bike.
Agree completely on the fit/finish, but then Ducati and MV are always going to win in the looks department, so there's really no news there. I mean, they are Italian after all. Which is why they covered up the nice sight glass in the motor with the fairing, and I have to use an LED flashlight to check my oil level in broad daylight...
And I also get all the Pani-love here, but then go into any model specific forum and try to talk up a competitor and you see the same. Everyone's a stakeholder of some sort or other here, so you expect that. I like mine too!
Buells (and now EBR's) have always been a bit weird, because they carry EB's design signature, not that of a group or committee. Which makes the result more of a love/hate thing; just the nature of seeing one guy's vision. But that vision is now unencumbered by his former HD masters and empowered by Hero Corp's money. You're talking about a guy whose former meal ticket was trying to turn a Sportster into a sportbike, and now he finally gets to do what he wanted to do all along. Better results would just about have to ensue.
And as for RRW, they have ridden it. Not a full comparo yet, but CU rode it at Jennings and pronounced it ready to take on anything on the market, no excuses. And recall that Toye absolutely loved the lighter but less powerful RS, going faster on it in a full, spec-tired shootout than anything but the winning S1000RR.
So yeah; tiny new brand, questionable future values, less than top tier F&F, all that. But performance-wise, a competitive player in the liter bike marketplace, carrying a twin with GSX-R/ZX-10 level power. And for the flag wavers out there (and they are plenty), something to hang their hat, er, helmet on. Welcome to the playing field, says me. Game on!
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I wish I had video of that bike. I had a D&D exhaust on it (of all things), and it just sounded great. It sounded like a built Harley at idle, but with the Buell heads and cams it was awesome at full throttle and had great torque. Only had about 80 rwhp but the torque curve was broad and it could really cover some ground. The handling was the best part.
Here are some other pictures of it, I think I know where MV Agusta got their inspiration for the Dragster 800
I noticed that this bike is uses a belt as final drive, any benefits of belt over chain?
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It's smoother power delivery (better NVH) and doesn't fling grease. They take out some of the roughness of a v-twin and are thus very common on Harleys. But the same factor that makes it smoother (it's ability to stretch slightly), also means it can be ever so slightly less direct/responsive. Generally belts also have less torque capacity than chains as well.
The belt was developed by Goodyear specifically for all Buells and it was a feature on all their bikes. It was maintenance free and guaranteed for life. I loved not having to oil or adjust the chain and just ride. Of course, you couldn't change the final drive ratio like sprockets but it was very light also, lighter than chain final drive.
Things like this made me a Buell fan. ZTL Perimeter brake, Fuel was held in the frame, oil was held in the swingarm, and of course the exhaust was under the bike. Those features and the 21-degree steering angle were radical compared to other bikes, and they simply worked. Unfortunately he was tied to using H-D based engines until the last couple years when the 1125R was introduced. Even still, the bikes had unique charm and I wish I never sold my Lightning. It was like an American version of a Monster, but with so much more innovation.
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A mate of mine is racing one of these this year very hard to get parts for .
I think his crazy but I like teasing him about his new purchase .
I think his crazy but I like teasing him about his new purchase .
I heard of one belt break on the Buell forum. They were engineered specifically for Buell's purpose by Goodyear and had a lifetime warranty. They were used by thousands of bikes since 2003, and just like the unusual perimeter ZTL brake, were a non-issue.
Always liked the idea of belts for streetbikes. Tons lighter and simpler than shaft drives without the rear-jacking effect, with lots less maintenance than a chain. Not to mention way smoother and quieter as well. I remember many years ago when I was still in the business and Kawasaki brought out a belt-drive model of their 440 twin. Rode two brand-new, just uncrated bikes, one with a chain and the other a belt, and was amazed at how easy it was to tell the difference - not subtle at all.
Problems were mainly with torque limitations, plus they're hard to mount on single shock bikes since you have to split the drive side swingarm somewhere since belts are continuous, and you cant easily change lengths to suit gearing changes. I expect the torque issues could be worked out with modern belt technology, but the other problems would remain, and easy availability of chains at all price points is hard to ignore.
Problems were mainly with torque limitations, plus they're hard to mount on single shock bikes since you have to split the drive side swingarm somewhere since belts are continuous, and you cant easily change lengths to suit gearing changes. I expect the torque issues could be worked out with modern belt technology, but the other problems would remain, and easy availability of chains at all price points is hard to ignore.
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Don't be too sure. Ducati has produced some serious ugly of it's own. 999 anyone? Or that wretched heap MHe (yeah, the one with the fake oil sump - truly ugly). Or the Indiana?
I've seen a Buell 1190R with the "Carbon Package" up close. The looks weren't too bad aside from the gas tank (it just doesn't look/fit with the rest of the bike). But I wasn't impressed with the fit/finish. All that carbon seemed to have been produced by a race shop and intended strictly for track without any nod to street asthetics. Just looked kludged/roughed together.
But I was impressed by the technology/engineering that went into it. The front brake is intruiging. I'd give 'em a passing grade for trying something different/new. They just need some refinement of their overall concept.
And it can't hurt to have yet another Sportbike mfgr in the market. Never know where the next great thing is going to come from.
I wish 'em well.
Call me weird, but I always liked the 999. Love the tank on those things, and how skinny they are overall. I drool on the Terblanche-signed R at Barber every time I go in there (which I plan to do again this coming weekend at SBK - we should start a meetup thread).
The Indiana though... Remember those bad-hair high school pics we all have at least one of? That's Ducati's...
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