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Meh, I know the engine will be nothing like a CBR but honda's just don't do much for me. Guaranteed that bike will rip though and further cement that honda makes the best engines in racing....now likely at all levels.
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This. I'm ok with all the other brands winning all the championships and even if they made 100hp more at the wheel I'd still be head over heels in love with my Pani.
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Most of my riding is on the track. The MV has choppy throttle response, odd power band, and is underpowered compared to my Pani and BMW. Never been a fan of MV's rideability on track.
And we're talking my left nut here!
Going out to the garage to give my Pani some love.
I've owned many, many bikes of years and this is one is the best handling one to date.
I have no idea how the race engineers setup the bikes, but ride a 1098R and 1199R back to back and you tell me which one you prefer on the track.
I've had that chance and the 1199R wins in my book hands down. The 1098R has much more grunt down low, but everything is fails in comparison to the 1199R (especially handling). Again I'm not some closet MotoGP champ, but I do a fair amount of track.
Dare we ever compare our bikes in any form to WSBK bike or MotoGP bike.
I wish I had a pit crew, and a sexy umbrella girl.
I agree.
One must also remember that DUCATI knows more about building bikes than anybody on internet forums.
With that said, the brains trust started with a clean sheet of paper for the 1199 and built up a wish list of all the things they wanted to see built into a bike.
What we have today is testament to their expertise. IMO.
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I kinda see it this way. Ferrari hasn't one a formula one championship in a few years but I dam sure would buy a Ferrari if I had the money. So Ducati had a bad year so what, there bike is the best looking thing on the street all that matters to me. Could care less about who wins at the race track.
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I am very confident with the Panigale and I pass most of the riders in the track. my question is, with the talent pool in wsbk level, are the days of vtwins over? I have heard from Checa's interview is that the problem is not with the bike but the with the rules. they penalize high displacement v twins soo much that it is already at a disadvantage. Checa pointed out that he is faster in the corners compared to the other riders but looses speed in the strait line.
if rules are not lifted, I would not be surprised if Ducati will build a v4 for its next generation superbike.
if rules are not lifted, I would not be surprised if Ducati will build a v4 for its next generation superbike.
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Oh I heard Ferrari's are not as reliable as my Toyota Rav 4 that is why I will not buy one. but If I win the lottery it is number 1 on my "To Buy List"
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It's a bit of a political mess for the organizers in balancing the rules for WSBK. They want a good show and parity between brands to keep the other manufacturers interested and competitive so it doesn't turn back into the "Ducati Cup" that it was several years ago where virtually every bike on the grid was a Ducati. Make no mistake, WSBK definitely NEEDS Ducati, think what the series would be as far as prestige and interest without any Ducatis on the grid? Look at the stands and the crowd of fans at any race, and see what percentage of them are wearing Ducati gear, it's a MUCH higher percentage than any other manufacturer since Ducati fans are much more likely to be racing fans than any other manufacturer. That translates into money in the pockets of the organizers, and make no mistake that they will do anything possible to put more money in their pockets! So the organizers can't have Ducati being so stifled by the rules that they can't compete (which is the case now), even though the other manufacturers love it. I would bet there are some serious behind-the-scenes negotiations going on as we speak regarding next year and doing things to ensure Ducati can be competitive again. The rules are evolving to a more production-based approach anyway, which is GREAT for Ducati after having to compete against the "cheater" bikes the past few years that are nearly complete prototype bikes that share little in common with their production counterparts. Remember the first year the Aprilia WSBK bike had gear-driven cams while the street bike did not! Ducati has had to get by with very few modifications to the production platform, which is why they have to make "homologation special" twins to race while the 4-cyl manufacturers do not. I'd say keep an eye on next year and odds are that Ducati is back up with the leaders again, which is what everyone wants to see.
No matter. Either way you made the right decision!
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Jarel points in the right direction. Its not the bike , it s the power. 90 % of crashes have been instigated by trying to hard to compensate on braking what they loose in speed. At certain tracks it was .2 seconds per straight.
To the story of splitting with Ducati and all politeness comng from the PR departmens written speeches, it is the general state of Corse that is to blame for most of the Pani's lack of succes.
And the state off disarray at Corse is due to the fact that First they are doing GP and then the fact that their GP project derailed since Stoner and Lupo Sivlio left. The panic that has come after Rossi and Burgess left set in as they now have found themselves in the worst spot possible : not being able to attract Alien qualified riders and not having the knowledge needed to put the project back on track.
All this has led to the situation that Alstare has not been able to do 70% of the required development the bike needs. A good indication has been the ultra late arrival of the subframe development. This has something to do with weight redistribution but mainly adresses THE big powerproblem that is het shape of the stock airbox. It lacks over 7 liters of air to get the engine to deliver all of its potential. for those doing regular dynos : have a dyno with the tank on, and then have one with the tank lifted for 1 inch so air gets in. With the 999 , the 1198 , this was not the case. A SBK neeeds the 24 liters of fuel to run the race. This volume is what the RS tanks take. And what the ALstare bikes take, even though the shape is different for each rider. The new subframe allows 7 liters to be kept in the back of the tank so allows the airbox te be increased by redesigning the underside of the tank.
So as to design flaws : the airbox is the only one... setup is tricky but not impossible... and let there be no mistake the 1198 RS also was tricky.. it could be made to be stable but then it wouldn't flip over..
As to development in general, the real problem on the pani is FOCUS. 90% of all Corse brains are on the GP project. only 5 people work on the pani and ALstare has been complaining a lot about this since june... apparantly it took ages for new parts to be supplied....
No other brand does both series at the top
GP : honda/yam
WSBK : BMW/APE/KWAK....
Ducati : Euhhh : both and none good.
Even the electronics guys dedicated to the WSBK effort were not the AAA list at Marelli... go reckon...
It has taken Audi this year to lign up the job at hand to get winning again. And, all credit to them, they have acted like they should : Get a top guy and give him a free hand.
it has taken a while but that guy is now coming in in 3 weeks : Gigig Dall'igna. And he has already announced that no one will be safe from scrutiny... so it will be very interesting to see if MArinelli, Corse WSBK manager will survive Gigi's analysis... And once the paddock will sense New Corse's commitment to the pani that this downward spiral will be turned around. Whereby a top racing team ( which Feel and Alstare are) can get the support from the factory is deserves so it can put a bike on the line that top riders want to be on... THAT is what brougth succes in the past and will bring succes in the future..
To put to rest al those saying it s a crap bike:
Neukirchner did 2 wildcard stints on a Pani at IDM ( BMW territory) and won both hands down with a wide margin
A Pani SSTK came to 0,3 seconds of the all time SPA track record held by Werner Damen ( IDM bmw factory team manager) on a dutch SBK race.
FLores won the Spanish SSTK series hands down...
World SSTK was fine....
its on hell of a bike that needs the attention it deserves. Wich is probably what it will get as of next year. Finally! the best thing for the pani would be if they withdrew from GP...
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choppy throttle response LOL that tell me that you never owened a MV, My MV has wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better fuel map than my panigale my F4 is like a surgical instrument.
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